Stainless Steel Plate Design

[you2wire]

Ok
I am in the process of create my HHO cell, but before i starting working on it on the weekend and wanted to map out some designs i though would work. attached are 5 designs that i created but i not shure they will work based on the principal of making HHO gas they should but you never know until you actaul make it.

My question is based on my 5 design which one do you think will perform the best.

I have already bought the the stainless steel plates which are actually switch covers from lowes and other parts.

Parts list

(18) stainless steel switch cover - 4.5in X 2.5 ins
(2) 4in PVC pipe - 1ft long
all the reducers

The Red indicates Positive
The Black indicates Negative

[dennis13030]

The first two are good because there is room for more water above the plates. The last one is nice because there is more plates.

Given this choices, I would select the last one.

All of these designs may have a heat problem. You may need to put 3 neutral plates between each pair of POS/NEG plates.

Also, NICE DRAWINGS!

[Stratous]

on the last drawing, i would only put 2 "N" plates between if your planning to run in series. 3 if going parallel

[rmptr]

If you go with the Smack style electrical connection you'll worry less about liquid leaks.

Best

[you2wire]

Please can you explain more about this Neutral Plate.
I am guesting that the neutral plate is conected to neither + or - plates is free standing but why?

Neutral Plate suggestion would be if I started from the outside -+-N+-+ N +-+N-+- (last design) would this work.

The last design has 2 cell systems that i will put in a 1/2' plexi glass box customer made. I was thinking it would in a box that would be 12'L X 8'W X 10H.

I will redraw the design with the Neutral plate and also design a Bubbler and tell me if it would work.

NOTE: I have never done this before i have no electrical or engineering background. I just like the concept of HHO

[you2wire]

As promised here is the update design with the Neutral Plate

[dennis13030]

You are getting closer.

"+" represents an anode, connection to the positive terminal of the battery.
"-" represents a cathode, connection to the negative terminal of the battery.
"N" or "n" represents a neutral, is not connected to the battery but sits in between an anode and cathode.

Try one of these configurations

+NNNN- and -NNNN+
or
+NNN-NNN+NNN-
or
+NN-NN+NN-NN+

[cougar gt-e]

SO, can someone explain what the "N" plates are doing? Is there any gass from them? If so --> why so?

Please don't direct me to a utube video as my dial up connection just can't take it.

[Stratous]

You should read these post, it will help understand nuetral plates.

http://www.hhoforums.com/showthread....hlight=nuetral
http://www.hhoforums.com/showthread....hlight=nuetral
http://www.hhoforums.com/showthread....hlight=nuetral

There are alot more post that talk about N plates, do a search and it will reveal a ton of information.

[dennis13030]

I do not fully understand how the netural plates work. However, I think what they do is divide the total charge among the newly formed number of cells. There seems to be a reaction curve associated with the current through a single cell. This reaction curve is similar to a voltage-current curve of a diode. With a diode(or cell), as voltage increases there is initially very little current until the voltage reaches a threshold then current increases very rapidly. The biggest differences between a diode and a cell are;

1. Where the threshold is(diode=0.7V, cell=approximately 2.0V).
2. How broad the curve is near the thresholds(diode=sharp curve, cell=broad curve).
3. A diode blocks current in the reverse direction. A cell does not.

So lets say you start with two plates and 12V. You should be getting lots of current and heat and a fair amount of gas production. Next, you insert 3 neutral plates in between the original plates. Now You should be getting much less current and heat and about the same amount of gas production.