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    hho_underground Guest

    Question Nuetral Plates: Who wins?!?

    Hello,

    I saw a youtube video showing/stating that when you have this plate configuration:

    + n n -

    The nuetrals plates will be the opposite of the plate next to it.

    So when current is supplied to the cell, the above plate configuration becomes:

    + n(-) n(+) -

    Is this true?

    If so, what happens in this set up:

    + n n n -

    Applied current:

    + n(-) n(+-) n(+) -

    With regards to the n(+-) plate, who wins... + or - ?

    I will have more questions depending on the answers I get.

    Thanks!

    -M

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    timetowinarace Guest
    + n n - actually becomes + n(-on the left side +on the right) n(-on the left side +on the right) -.

    Each n plate is negative on one side positive on the other.

    So, + n n n - is + (-+) (-+) (-+) - where each n plate is beteen the ()'s.

    Does that make more sence?

    Go here for a better understanding of the electrical principles of hho
    http://http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt10.html

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    Personally, I think they are all incorrect. I believe the N plates take on the negative charge because the electrons travel from negative to positive. Its very easy to test. In your cell measure the voltage from the Negative plate to each N plate. If the voltage stays the same polarity then all plates are polarized the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratous View Post
    Personally, I think they are all incorrect. I believe the N plates take on the negative charge because the electrons travel from negative to positive. Its very easy to test. In your cell measure the voltage from the Negative plate to each N plate. If the voltage stays the same polarity then all plates are polarized the same way.
    Of course I'll disagree. If you apply your belief to a set of simple resisters you will find one side + and one side -. The plates are not holding a charge, they are flowing current through them. Just like a resister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timetowinarace View Post
    Of course I'll disagree. If you apply your belief to a set of simple resisters you will find one side + and one side -. The plates are not holding a charge, they are flowing current through them. Just like a resister.
    I believe we men the same thing. If that is true, then one side of the N plate should read + and the other -. Resisters have a positive and ngative side because they are designed that way. They are designed to resist current in one direction hence the anode and cathode side. That is not the same as actual polarity. Simply put our theory to the test. If you place a lead on a negative plate then the other lead on the nearest "N" plate closest to the Neg plate, you will see a positive voltage reading that is less than the overall voltage put into the system, now move to the next "N" plate and you will see a positive charge that is less than the first reading and so on until you get to the positive plate. The plates are not really the resisters, the water is the resister/conductor. The plates act more like a capacitor grabbing a charge and passing it off to the water again. What we have is a reverse battery. When you take power away from the cell you will still actually read voltage at the + and - teminals because the plates hold a charge, just like a battery. I am in no way an expert and can only go from memory of things learned in my past.
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    Hey guys, the charge state of items inside the electrolyte are as follows:



    Anode(+)..................(-)Neutral Plate(+).................(-)Cathode

    There can be multiple (-)Neutral Plate(+) 's.

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    How can you have a solid stainless steel plate have both a pos and neg charge? Doesnt make sense to me. I cant get that link to open for some reason.
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    hho_underground Guest
    Ok,

    Some more questions.

    I've read conflicting reports that a single plate(not a pair), can only be + or - not both.
    Is this true?

    Dennis,

    In my example + n n n -, you are saying, when given a current, it becomes:

    + - n + -

    Stratous,

    In my example + n n n -, you are saying, when given a current, it becomes:
    + - - - -

    Here's the link... http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt10.html

    -M

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    Quote Originally Posted by hho_underground View Post
    Ok,

    Some more questions.

    I've read conflicting reports that a single plate(not a pair), can only be + or - not both.
    Is this true?

    Dennis,

    In my example + n n n -, you are saying, when given a current, it becomes:

    + - n + -

    Stratous,

    In my example + n n n -, you are saying, when given a current, it becomes:
    + + + + -

    -M
    Not really sure what I am talking about anymore...lol. I think that because the electrons flow from the negative side to the positive side, then a cell like this. +NN-NN+ actually preforms like this. +-----+, at least it seemed that way when I stuck my voltage meter accross each plate. Honestly though, its confusing because the plate isnt actually connected to the power. It just sits in the middle of the water interupting the flow of electrons from one point to another.
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    Ok, i got this off a web site and am now totally confused.

    When electricity was discovered, nobody knew how it works and
    electrons were unknown. So the scientists just defined one of
    the poles as "positive" and said that the current is flowing
    from positive to negative. That still is the definition of an
    electrical current's flow direction.
    However, later scientists discovered that in most (but not all)
    materials current is carried by negatively charged electrons,
    which travel from negative to positive. The electron flow is
    thus opposite to the current flow.
    In some materials (e.g. electrolytic solutions) the current is
    carried by positive ions, which travel in the current's direc-
    tion. And in semiconductors there can be currents of negative
    or positive carriers, depending on the doping.
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