Inductors to create electromagnetic fields instead of Electrodes w/ Electrolyte (R&D)

[ElectricSquid]

The big question really hit me last night (while in the shower where all good ideas originate)...

The BIG Question

Why is it that we struggle endlessly to create justifiable amounts of HHO with the use of a carefully balanced design of electrodes which forces us to use some form of electrolyte to allow electrical flow through the water?

It's a long complicated question, I know. Even I, the one that thought it up, had to rethink it a few times over to really get the full weight of it. Basically, I feel that the very basis of our designs are flawed on many levels, and I'd like to do something about that. Let me explain...

Having the electrical current flow through the water does nothing at all to produce HHO directly. In fact, we call it "Voltage Leak" and it makes us squirm in our skin until we limit it every way we can. Electric flow though the water produces heat and makes units boil over, which we ALL know is one of the BIGGEST limiting factors we face. But due to design, having the currect flow through the water is a necessary evil, because it's the water between the plates that completes the connection, which creates the electromagnetic fields ...

- STOP right there!! -
It's the Electromagnetic Fields that we are after? That's what rips the H2O apart, right? That's the whole reason why we use the electrode plates.
So why not build an electrode that gives us the best magnetic field that we can get out of it?

Why not use...
Induction Production

Ok, I got a little goofy with that one, but it's a valid idea. Coils of wire around a iron core produce an electromagnetic field without needing to transfer electricity through the water, which would mean that we would no longer use electrolyte. In fact, we could use the pure distilled water as an insulator, which is what naturally is anyway.

If you need to read up on what an Inductor is, here's a great multi page write-up with good pics.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/inductor.htm

Like I said, I just had this idea less than 20 hours ago, so I don't have a good design drawn up yet. But I would like to hear your knowledge or follow any links you have on existing designs similar to this.

On the research list:

1. Core materials usable while submerged in distiled water
2. Core materials usable that are non-reactive to hydrogen or oxygen
3. Can we use Copper wire and an Iron core (optimum efficiency and very cost effective)
4. Calculation for thickness of wire compaired to length of wire compared to amount of wraps around core compared to length of coil.
5. Optimum configuration for inductors to create alternating magnetic fields
6. Outer housing and inner bracing

More coming soon, including test video...

[Blinger101]

Interesting theory/concept. From what I understand, are you proposing the induction generator look something like this:

*inductor coil shamelessly taken from the example picture in the link provided *


The one major drawback I can see right now is rust. Iron + Water = Bad.

Good thinking though.

[ElectricSquid]

Interesting theory/concept. From what I understand, are you proposing the induction generator look something like this:

*inductor coil shamelessly taken from the example picture in the link provided *


The one major drawback I can see right now is rust. Iron + Water = Bad.

Good thinking though.

Yes, kinda, but with at the very least two inductors, but more like a full array of inductors.
I would need to align the inductors so they go +-+-+-+- for the proper magnetic drag on the water.

Yea, Iron + Water = RUST
I need to either figure out what to add to the water, or coat the iron with, to keep the rust away. Might be as easy as painting the core

Or use a different, magnetically optimum, easy to acquire material.

[JumpStart65]

[QUOTE=Blinger101;26041]Interesting theory/concept. From what I understand, are you proposing the induction generator look something like this:

*inductor coil shamelessly taken from the example picture in the link provided *




ElectricSquid has the right idea, however, Blinger101, the wrong applicatiion.

Take your pvc tube, wind the coils around the outside, cap an end,add electrolyte, cap other end, turn on the juice,,,

As explained in pretty god detail here,,,, http://altenergy.site90.com/hunter.htm

And for those who belive seeing is believing,,, http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Ot...20Electrolyser


PatL

[alpha-dog]

I've followed this thread for some time
http://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2327

[ElectricSquid]

I did a test some time ago, but haven't had the time to post the results. until now.

Anyway, I did a magnetic field test on a working Smacks Booster electrode array using a simple compass. What I found is that there was no detectable magnetic field at all.

Then, I tried to create even the slightest amount of HHO by using two large rare earth magnets at .072 inches apart submerged in a bath of distilled water...

The result was NO HHO.

Then, I added electrolyte (KOH), just for ****s and giggles :P ...

The result was NO HHO.






(maybe in a large scale generator, It might work. Maybe a generator the size of a particle accelerator, but that would not produce enough power to drive it down the road.)



So I conclude that for conventional means, the electromagnetic field HHO generator theory was a total failure and has been proven, at least in my small scale tests, to not work AT ALL.

Zero, zilch, nothing, no HHO.

[truckman1966]

good thoughts though. always worth a try!

[tadpole]

I was discussing wether or not you could break apart the hyrdogen / oxygen using electro magnetic fields and he said it is posibble, he is a electrical engineer that works for TECO.

Tad

[ElectricSquid]

Here's more technical information on Inductors, and they cover Oscillators too.
http://www.physics.sjsu.edu/becker/p.../induction.htm

[Gary Diamond]

Sorry but we don't make a electromagnetic field. Put some iron next to your cell, if it does not feel like a magnet then its not a electromagnetic field