Newbie with Questions

[crew02]

Hi guys,

I found a guy localy that was running a hho generator, with good results, so I made one for myself.

1.5 quart container, 8 TBS of Baking Soda per Gallon of Distilled Water
2 - 3/8 x 6 inch SS cariage bolts, with 3 - 3/8 x 1 1/2 SS Washers, 3/8 SS Nuts in between each Washer, per rod
Rods are space so Washers have a 3/8 inch gap between them
One rod is grounded, and the other has +12 volts going to it when the engine is running.
On the top of the container there is a 1/4 inch air regulator, that has a hose going down into the generator, bout a 1/4 inch from the bottom.
The output hose connects to the container via a Automotive brake booster valve [ only opens with vaccum]. The hose connects to a small inline air compressor water seperator, and then to a vaccum port at the base of the intake.
The unit draws more than 5 amps, but less than 10 amps, as far as I can tell [ blows a 5 amp fuse, but does not blow a 10 amp, but it does get a lil warm]

My question is, I have not seen any gain in MPG, if not a lil decline.
What can I do to make this work better.
Also, on 2 occasions, I have had the unit loose 1 inch to 1 1/2 inches of water over a 20 mile drive [after the unit had been running a while]

Thanks for any info
crew02

[Strange81Z]

I'm new to this myself, but as far as the water loss, I'd think that it's overheating and possibly boiling this adding moister into you engine (or water seperator). Does the water seperator show any signs of this happening? I wonder if you are getting water into your engine, this causing you to loose any potential gains? Just throwing out idea's.

[Ronjinsan]

Hi

Please explain the "Air regulator" bit. If you are pulling a vacuum you will need a one way valve to stop water sucking back into you generator on deceleration. I dont understand the air regulators purpose! 8Tbs of baking powder is waaay over the top! I use 2 teaspoons to 1 litre and thats a lot. Look as though the gap is too wide between your plates, try using a 3 or 4mm spacer and reduce your electrolyte. You dont have many plates and you are not using neutrals, this all leads to heat and lack of production. My suggestion to you......go and do more research and start again if you are serious about getting this working. Have a look on youtube at all the different types you can build.....run around this site a bit too, but dont expect to be succesfull with some nuts and washers....you will need a bit more than that to get results! Cheers

[crew02]

Hi

Please explain the "Air regulator" bit. If you are pulling a vacuum you will need a one way valve to stop water sucking back into you generator on deceleration. I dont understand the air regulators purpose! 8Tbs of baking powder is waaay over the top! I use 2 teaspoons to 1 litre and thats a lot. Look as though the gap is too wide between your plates, try using a 3 or 4mm spacer and reduce your electrolyte. You dont have many plates and you are not using neutrals, this all leads to heat and lack of production. My suggestion to you......go and do more research and start again if you are serious about getting this working. Have a look on youtube at all the different types you can build.....run around this site a bit too, but dont expect to be succesfull with some nuts and washers....you will need a bit more than that to get results! Cheers

The Air Regulator is used to let a very small amount of air into the container, I read on water4gas.com about using a bubler for an aquairium to do the same thing. It is supposed to make it generate more hydrogen. What do you mean by sucking water back into the generator on deceleration? I have a one way valve on the output side of the generator, it opens with the vacuum of the engine, and you cannot blow threw it backwards.
I used the 8TBLS of baking soda because that is what the guy told me he was using with gains of 8 mpg. My brother built one similar to mine, using 5/16 nuts, bolts, and washers, and has gained 5 mpg.
Maybe you are right, and I need to start over. Just getting a lil frusterated with this, as I have been running this for a couple weeks now with no gains.

[crew02]

I'm new to this myself, but as far as the water loss, I'd think that it's overheating and possibly boiling this adding moister into you engine (or water seperator). Does the water seperator show any signs of this happening? I wonder if you are getting water into your engine, this causing you to loose any potential gains? Just throwing out idea's.

I'm new too, so don't feel bad if you get confused I'm confused too.
I added the water seperator and sir regulator over the weekend. On my normal drive to work, I get maybe a teasoon of water in the seperator. I could have been overheating the generator, but it wasn't hot to the touch, and I opened it up, and the water was only luke warm [ maybe 100'F at most].I thought I could have sucked the water into the engine, that is why I added the water seperator, as a safety precaution, I don't know if this was the right thing to do or not.

[Ronjinsan]

OK crew I see where you are going here......so dont get discouraged. Lets start afresh. Firstly if you are going to take the HHO direct to the inlet manifold you will need a strong container as the vacuum is very high. Secondly you dont have an air valve...that sort of defeats the object! LOL The container must be airtight...the vacuum will reach its peak and anything that goes out with it will only be gas! The one way valve sounds right, is there a way you can take your cell out and post a picture for us to see? The other problem is the amount of Soda you are using points to another problem somewhere, thats why I would like to see your cell! Lets get you going properly! Cheers

[gasmakr]

Well said Ron.....that much soda alone would cause a heat problem....once you get your generator sorted out think about moving your o2 sensor out of the exhaust stream so the sensor dosen't read all the extra oxygen in the air stream when the computer sees all that oxygen it thinks it's running lean and adds more fuel.

[crew02]

OK crew I see where you are going here......so dont get discouraged. Lets start afresh. Firstly if you are going to take the HHO direct to the inlet manifold you will need a strong container as the vacuum is very high. Secondly you dont have an air valve...that sort of defeats the object! LOL The container must be airtight...the vacuum will reach its peak and anything that goes out with it will only be gas! The one way valve sounds right, is there a way you can take your cell out and post a picture for us to see? The other problem is the amount of Soda you are using points to another problem somewhere, thats why I would like to see your cell! Lets get you going properly! Cheers

I will get some pics up as soon as I can get time to do so, work has me running in circles lately, lol.

Well said Ron.....that much soda alone would cause a heat problem....once you get your generator sorted out think about moving your o2 sensor out of the exhaust stream so the sensor dosen't read all the extra oxygen in the air stream when the computer sees all that oxygen it thinks it's running lean and adds more fuel.

Ok, how do I move the 02 sensor outward?

Again, thanks for the help.

[gasmakr]

as long as your engine doesn't have any oil blowby a simple o2 extender adapter is all that is needed. if you have oil blowby do not add the extender because the oil exiting out the exhaust will get stuck in the adapter and foul out the sensor.if you add the extender....or even if you don't wrap the sensor in aluminum foil that will draw heat around the sensor heating it up this will cause the sensor to think the exhaust is very hot telling the computer to lean out the mixture.

[crew02]

Well after a couple days of not being able to get on the site, here are some photo's of my setup. Please, tell me what I need to do to make this work.