Plans from runyourcaronwater.com

[WOPiersol]

I am new to the HHO way of life. And I am about to start my first project. I have a couple different plans and I was wondering what some more experienced people thoughts about each. They are plans from:

1) RunYourCarOnWater.com - To me this seems like a cool setup, but it is a lot different than any other plans I have seen. Seems a little difficult, and there are no pictures and list a couple of parts that seem unfindable. (IE - EFI or Carb adapter with pressure fitting for input.) Has anyone had any success with this plan?

2) Water4Gas.com - This one seem cheap to build and easier to understand.

3) SmacksBooster plan - Seems a lot like the Water4Gas but maybe a little better constructed.

Any comments on these plans would be appreciated.

[daveczrn]

not sure about the runyourcaronwater design.. i haven't see any pictures.

water4gas design doesnt have enough surface area for it to work realy well. The more surface area you have the more HHO you can produce.

smacks booster is what most of us are designing with some variants here and there.

[HomeGrown]

Smacksbooster seems to be the most refered-to design, plus the design concept and info are free, unlike the others who focus more attention on the sales hype.

A buddy of mine at work bought RunYourCarOnWater instructions. They opted for a bit more complex setup, and talked about winding coils and such. They carry the electronics aspect of it a bit farther than I'm comfortable with. I would love to have whatever appropriate electroncis would be involved with a setup, but I'd need to have it all supplied in one neat kit. I don't have the time or inclination to become any sort of electronics expert, although I am comfortable working with it. I'd rather focus my efforts on the actual cell building and hookup.

[c02cutter]

The smacks is really easy to build, and will produce well. Have a look at the video in this post it is a smack design cell


http://www.hhoforums.com/showpost.php?p=7266&postcount=4

[Smith03Jetta]

I disagree. The Smacks is difficult to build. It is cramped inside the PVC unless you have girly hands. It overheats easily. It gets hot and leaks easily.

It does make an OK amount of gas but overall it's the most difficult one I've built so far.

My latest design will rival the production of anything on the market. Go take a peek. So far it makes 1 liter in 50 - 54 seconds at 15 amps using my VW's alternator/battery. Go see my photos and video proof. I don't see any manufacturer/seller/ebook writer on the market showing any sort of video proof that their design delivers what it is supposed to.

I can't in all honesty recommend any of the designs like the Smacks when there are better ones out there that are better quality, easier and cheaper to build. Remember I'm not hocking anything for sale. I've been hard at this project for two months now and my comments are based on lots of trial and error. Information on this site is free and you don't have to pay any of us a dime.

Have fun building.

I challenge anyone out there to take my design that's based on plumabob's plate spacing idea and improve on it.

[BoyntonStu]

I challenge anyone out there to take my design that's based on plumabob's plate spacing idea and improve on it.

Please elaborate on plumabob's plate spacing idea.

URL?

BoyntonStu

P.S. I successfully tested a 1.5 Volt high current supply today.

Imagine a spiral made from strips 6" wide x 144" long and plumabob's plate spacing. Would the spiral at 1.5 Volts and 100's Amps compete with your design?

[c02cutter]

Hmm, actually a smacks is super easy to assemble, just have to think outside the container. As for the challenge, well I'll go for it, but disqualify myself off the bat as I have equipment that lets me play harder than most. But will shoot on a silly ass idea I had just to do it. If we do this, lets make a post for it directly. Also make rules as to it can't be someone else's design.

[HomeGrown]

P.S. I successfully tested a 1.5 Volt high current supply today.



Where did you find such a power supply? I've been wanting to play with one of those.

[Smith03Jetta]

Please elaborate on plumabob's plate spacing idea.

URL?

BoyntonStu

P.S. I successfully tested a 1.5 Volt high current supply today.

Imagine a spiral made from strips 6" wide x 144" long and plumabob's plate spacing. Would the spiral at 1.5 Volts and 100's Amps compete with your design?

http://www.hhoforums.com/showthread.php?t=254 is the start of the thread where Plumabob comes up with the wide plate design made out of light switch covers. I duplicated it but did not get the high gas production that he did. I improved on the design after my home depot electrical box cracked from the heat. I used thicker metal and improved the plate design until I came up with my latest design. I'm sure that you've seen it.

The spiral that you are suggesting would indeed make a lot of gas. 1728 in/sq of gas producing area if my math is correct would make about 5 or 6 liters per minute of gas with the same electrolyte concentration that I have. The voltage and amperage needed is a crap shoot.

I'm not sure how you suggest to get the same spacing that I have with a spiral design. Also how do you plan to get the perfectly curled spirals and maintain a narrow gas producing gap without the metal touching?

What sort of container will you use? A bucket of some kind?

[BoyntonStu]

http://www.hhoforums.com/showthread.php?t=254 is the start of the thread where Plumabob comes up with the wide plate design made out of light switch covers. I duplicated it but did not get the high gas production that he did. I improved on the design after my home depot electrical box cracked from the heat. I used thicker metal and improved the plate design until I came up with my latest design. I'm sure that you've seen it.

The spiral that you are suggesting would indeed make a lot of gas. 1728 in/sq of gas producing area if my math is correct would make about 5 or 6 liters per minute of gas with the same electrolyte concentration that I have. The voltage and amperage needed is a crap shoot.

I'm not sure how you suggest to get the same spacing that I have with a spiral design. Also how do you plan to get the perfectly curled spirals and maintain a narrow gas producing gap without the metal touching?

What sort of container will you use? A bucket of some kind?


The spiral that you are suggesting would indeed make a lot of gas. 1728 in/sq of gas producing area if my math is correct would make about 5 or 6 liters per minute of gas with the same electrolyte concentration that I have. The voltage and amperage needed is a crap shoot.

Not only is the area tremendously large but the cell is only about 4" in diameter using 20 gauge strips and my .045" spacer for a sandwich ~ 0.1" thick.

I'm not sure how you suggest to get the same spacing that I have with a spiral design. Also how do you plan to get the perfectly curled spirals and maintain a narrow gas producing gap without the metal touching?

Correct. I looked up the spacing setup and now understand what you meant. What I fist believed was the spacing between 2 plate in a cell.
I have the answer to the uniform spacing that is automatic when rolling the spiral.


What sort of container will you use? A bucket of some kind?

The container may be 4" PVC or a unit like you use. The spiral can be mounted either from the top or the bottom.

I tested the power supply today at 200 Amps. Both at 1.5 and at 2.0 Volts. It can go MUCH higher. Also, the supply is very easy to control.
It took a half a day in 90* to make the supply. Whew!

I am in contact with several folks about the SS strips.

Anyone ?

I would rather build a single 6" cell rather than 3 -2" cells.

Less interconnections, hardware, and mounting, etc.

A 6" spiral is hell of a lot easier to build than a 102 plate 6" square Boyce cell.

My only concern is whether any sealing is required. I dunno.

BoyntonStu

FWIW

Some of my other inventions here:

See my $100 elevator video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hom61NxuaE


HBO:TV's Top 5! Sep. 9, 2007 - 'Curb Your Enthusiasm'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkvFx-_pLqo

EZ-Reach Smoke Detector Battery Changer
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Larry David beats his smoke detector to death with a bat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP21wqv0ia0


Homemade Trike and Coffee Roaster on TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yBLJg0efmk


Craftsman 10” upside down Radial Arm Saw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVpGi85HfnY