ydeardorff
10-02-2012, 04:06 AM
Hello all,
Ive been playing with HHO, or playing with the concept since the mid 90's. After several discussion with my local universities electro-chemistry professors, as well as my Algebra professors, I have come up with a theory regarding cell balancing.
First of all as we all(or most of us know) Hydrogen is the smallest element on the periodic table, and Oxygen is just over twice its size.
In our HHO cell we liberate 1 oxygen, and 2 hydrogen atoms, eventually resulting in them coalescing to the point of becoming gas bubbles.
Due to surface tension and bubble sizes needed for these bubbles to release from the electrodes and float up to be released I have a theory on cell balancing that I think has merit.
If bubble size needed to release from the electrode is relative regardless to the H or O sides then it would stand to reason that the Cathode would need twice as much surface area as compared to the Anode. Since two bubbles would be forming in the Cathode versus one at the Anode.
This imbalance mathematically would (theoretically) create heat. Which of course we want to avoid up to a point.
So, I am building a new cell (completely new design). What I will do is the following to test this theory.
First, assemble unsanded or bead blasted plates and run the cell.
Take the LPM, and MMW readings off of it. (Base Line)
Then, Sand or bead blast only the Cathodes side of each plate to include the Bi-polar AKA neutral plates. Again test the LPM and MMW readings.
Finally, sand and bead blast all sides of all plates. Again test the LPM and MMW readings.
Results: Now if the MMW and or LPM readings show a percentage increase that is higher than proportional to the other two readings then this would support my theory.
If this happens then alternating the type of surface prep per electrode side may result in higher efficiency, or possibly lower heat, or both.
I have talked to a few people on this whom have quickly dismissed the idea without any real evidence as to why. Algebraically, the equation must balance out.
If we are trying to force hydrogen production out of the same surface area as the anode but the cathode must produce twice as much gas, then we are forcing an imbalance, and losing efficiency, and increasing heat as a waste byproduct.
Ive been playing with HHO, or playing with the concept since the mid 90's. After several discussion with my local universities electro-chemistry professors, as well as my Algebra professors, I have come up with a theory regarding cell balancing.
First of all as we all(or most of us know) Hydrogen is the smallest element on the periodic table, and Oxygen is just over twice its size.
In our HHO cell we liberate 1 oxygen, and 2 hydrogen atoms, eventually resulting in them coalescing to the point of becoming gas bubbles.
Due to surface tension and bubble sizes needed for these bubbles to release from the electrodes and float up to be released I have a theory on cell balancing that I think has merit.
If bubble size needed to release from the electrode is relative regardless to the H or O sides then it would stand to reason that the Cathode would need twice as much surface area as compared to the Anode. Since two bubbles would be forming in the Cathode versus one at the Anode.
This imbalance mathematically would (theoretically) create heat. Which of course we want to avoid up to a point.
So, I am building a new cell (completely new design). What I will do is the following to test this theory.
First, assemble unsanded or bead blasted plates and run the cell.
Take the LPM, and MMW readings off of it. (Base Line)
Then, Sand or bead blast only the Cathodes side of each plate to include the Bi-polar AKA neutral plates. Again test the LPM and MMW readings.
Finally, sand and bead blast all sides of all plates. Again test the LPM and MMW readings.
Results: Now if the MMW and or LPM readings show a percentage increase that is higher than proportional to the other two readings then this would support my theory.
If this happens then alternating the type of surface prep per electrode side may result in higher efficiency, or possibly lower heat, or both.
I have talked to a few people on this whom have quickly dismissed the idea without any real evidence as to why. Algebraically, the equation must balance out.
If we are trying to force hydrogen production out of the same surface area as the anode but the cathode must produce twice as much gas, then we are forcing an imbalance, and losing efficiency, and increasing heat as a waste byproduct.