Carbon catalyst

[Brent]

I just got a news update email regarding using carbon and aluminum to generate hydrogen.

Excerpt:

"Catalytic chemistry research resulted in the discovery that an inexpensive activation
process can convert normal carbon into a carbon catalyst that can effectively generate
hydrogen gas from water, using a small amount of aluminum. The process uses about 3
times more water than aluminum, and the aluminum does not have to be pure, making the
fuel less expensive. The carbon catalyst does not require electrolytes or organic additives.
It can operate in pH-neutral water, even if it is dirty, and can operate in sea water, the most
abundant source of hydrogen on earth".


This sounds interesting but I could only find a few PDF files that discussed in more depth.

It was developed by a pharmaceutical company (Philips).

http://www.phillipscompany.4t.com/CT.pdf

Does anyone have more info regarding this?

[myoldyourgold]

I just got a news update email regarding using carbon and aluminum to generate hydrogen.

Excerpt:

"Catalytic chemistry research resulted in the discovery that an inexpensive activation
process can convert normal carbon into a carbon catalyst that can effectively generate
hydrogen gas from water, using a small amount of aluminum. The process uses about 3
times more water than aluminum, and the aluminum does not have to be pure, making the
fuel less expensive. The carbon catalyst does not require electrolytes or organic additives.
It can operate in pH-neutral water, even if it is dirty, and can operate in sea water, the most
abundant source of hydrogen on earth".


This sounds interesting but I could only find a few PDF files that discussed in more depth.

It was developed by a pharmaceutical company (Philips).

http://www.phillipscompany.4t.com/CT.pdf

Does anyone have more info regarding this?

Brent, aluminum is one of the heaviest users of energy to create and you can imagine what the cost of soda cans/scrap would go to if we all started using it. It will be like putting gas into your tank at some point or another as far as $ goes. I do not see it as a long term solution or a green solution (I put that in for the treehuggers) but is an option right now or short term.

[Brent]

The byproduct is easily and safely recycled. It's very similar to refined bauxite.

There are pros and cons to it and those that have put a lot of time and money into their HHO systems may be a bit biased. But I'm all for finding new ways to make hydrogen on both large and small scale. And at the end of the day we have to use resources one way or another for energy.

If I can make my HHO system more efficient, smaller, cheaper and less caustic then I will definitely give it a try. Maybe fewer people will label us as crazy if a large pharmaceutical company become a proponent of H augmentation.

Bob Lazar of United Nuclear has labeled HHO as "bogus". Now he has to come to the realization that his hydrogen fueled car concept may have room for improvement and we might have been onto to something all along.

http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/

[myoldyourgold]

There are pros and cons to it and those that have put a lot of time and money into their HHO systems may be a bit biased. But I'm all for finding new ways to make hydrogen on both large and small scale. And at the end of the day we have to use resources one way or another for energy.

I am by no means bios in fact have tried it because of some advantages possibly in California in regards with CARB. I am not going to report here what I found but I will say this and that is that there is limited gains compared to my system. Has nothing to do with how it is made its efficiency etc. either. As I said before is dose have its place short term so you give it a try and maybe we can compare notes at a later time.

[Brent]

It will be interesting to play with and see what happens although there is no info on designs to start out with. Ph neutral and no heat means a lot of materials are available.

[myoldyourgold]

Brent, Howard Phillips made this offer:


If you might be interested, I will send you some catalyst at no charge. I ask that you agree to non-disclosure of the technical details until I can complete the patent-application process. Then, if you want to use this catalyst for personal use or in your business, I would like that. This offer will expire at the end of October, 2011

You might contact him and he might send you some even though his offer has expired if you are interested. You should be able to contact him through his web site.

[Brent]

I tried to fax the ND form but the number was no good. So I will scan it and send via Email and see what happens.

Thanks for letting me know.

[sbeckman7]

This is an interesting approach. The website does a good job of making it appealing. Myoldyourgold, when you say your results were minimal gains over your HHO system, is that because you saw the benefit as minimal when taking into consideration the cost of aluminum and carbon needed? If it does produce much more than normal HHO, it seems to be a good idea, even if it is more expensive.

[myoldyourgold]

This is an interesting approach. The website does a good job of making it appealing. Myoldyourgold, when you say your results were minimal gains over your HHO system, is that because you saw the benefit as minimal when taking into consideration the cost of aluminum and carbon needed? If it does produce much more than normal HHO, it seems to be a good idea, even if it is more expensive.

Sbeckman, even though I have a splitter reactor using my design and am doing more research on them. I am convinced that hydrogen by itself is not the answer. Even with the splitter I add back the oxygen but in a controlled manner and am only interested in this because of having to avoid electronics in California at the moment, so am forced to get lower results. The results with just plain hydrogen, has never been as good as quality HHO in my testing. It just does not have enough bang for your buck. This process just makes hydrogen at least that is what is said. I did not run the gas through a gas spectrometer so I really do not know what other possible gases were in the mix. I can only say it reacted similar to the hydrogen my splitter reactors make. I just can not get the same gains with hydrogen as I get with good quality HHO. The main advantage besides not needing power is it can produce large volumes so I am sure will have a use.

[Weapon_R]

myoldyourgold could you provide more info on your splitter cell and the results you have be able to achieve.

[myoldyourgold]

myoldyourgold could you provide more info on your splitter cell and the results you have be able to achieve.

The only thing I can comment on is the bad parts. LOL I have gone through every known type of material that is cheap to try and prevent bleed over of the gases in every driving condition with no luck using a similar method as everyone else is using. Others are not worried about this but to make it absolutely safe, and have no uncontrolled interaction with the fuel mixture, I must be able to guarantee no bleed over even in extreme inclines, rough roads etc to get CARB approval. I think Bill Williams has got the best published reactor that I know of and was the first to put the information in the public domain. Even though mine is nowhere near like his because of the reactor design the principal of how it is split has been similar/the same. I would suggest you go to his You Tube channel and see his videos. Vipond50 is his You Tube channel. Bill is an excellent and qualified researcher and has been in this for years. I think all other splitters out there have copied him. One of my splitter reactors is apart right now and I am going to change the membrane to completely prevent bleed over and not have to keep exact pressures on each side exactly the same. If the expected efficiency drop per square inch of the plate is not to great and everything else works as it should, I will publish the information. It will be a few more weeks before I get it completed. I am having to give up some area that could be active to achieve this. It will simplify some parts of keeping things separate though.