New dry cell 8 plates without holes

[Mr_The_Carper]

electrodes 250x50mm,6 neutral..
isolated edges -- holes for water inlet and gas output in the plastic covers.Super pure gas, like air, invisible, terrible explosive ... 3Amps Max power,no heating or jumping amps, PWM unnecessary , it is very easy to install, the production of HHO 0.4lpm ... for the engine to 2500ccm enough - if someone thinks that it is not enough gas? try it ..;)
-20% NaOH to 2l water..great for winter

[Mr_The_Carper]

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[Mr_The_Carper]

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[myoldyourgold]

How high is the electrolyte level in this configuration? You know the longer the bubbles travel in the electrolyte the less efficiency there is. The sooner the bubbles can exit the electrolyte the better.

[Mr_The_Carper]

How high is the electrolyte level in this configuration? You know the longer the bubbles travel in the electrolyte the less efficiency there is. The sooner the bubbles can exit the electrolyte the better.

20% NaOH...I know..electrolite is 5cm above the top of the cell..
-The solution is saturated .. I have a new result-4.25Amps max. --- 1lpm/2min. 30sec - I recorded video, the purity of a perfect gas, it is the most powerful gas and that is enough for the 1.9 diesel engine - car power increase and it goes like a bullet :D
-Soon coming winter - two to three months, the temperature will drop to-10C ... because I need that cell to spring ...:)
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[Mr_The_Carper]

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[myoldyourgold]

At a approximately 146 watts that is good with current leakage on top and bottom. I still doubt the gas is dry. There might not be any steam but there will be moisture in the gas. Just the bubbles bursting puts moisture in the gas as well as just traveling through a liquid moisture is picked up first in the reactor and then the bubbler.

I have forgotten which 1.9 L diesel you have. Is it a common rail multi injection like the Fiat engine of just a single injection setup? (One injection per intake stroke)

So far there is no way to avoid freezing without going to full strength electrolyte. Even then it turns to slush when approaching -40 C. The only sure way, is a drain system the is easy and only takes a few minutes both to drain and to fill up again when the engine is started up again and is warmed up which is necessary in extreme weather anyway. This is much easier on heavy equipment like farm tractors etc and part of living in the frozen north. Unfortunately most people only want a plug and play and I can not blame them. There is a lot of us working to solve this problem so I think in time there will be a better solution. A small loss in milage gain is something that will come along with cold weather and not much you can do about it.

[Mr_The_Carper]

gas is dry,no moisture,anything you do not see on the exit.,the cell is just a little warm,25c...that is not first cell,that construction...no leak currents...all coated with epoxy..
-a little complicated to make

my skoda felicija is a simple diesel.. lucas delphy pump...Direct air intake...
vw motor-golf,polo...like a tractor :D...the most reliable engines :D

[myoldyourgold]

gas is dry,no moisture,anything you do not see on the exit.,the cell is just a little warm,25c...that is not first cell,that construction...no leak currents...all coated with epoxy..
-a little complicated to make

Well I guess we will just have agree to disagree. There is no such thing as dry HHO unless it has gone through some kind of dryer to take the moisture out. This can be a dry filter cartridge of something like that. We are not talking about steam. Just blow air through water and the air comes out with moisture in it. There is more moisture in the air on a rainy day than on a dry day. As far as leakage of current..... well there too we differ. Even a well built "dry" reactor will have some current leakage. It has to if the electrolyte is conductive. It is as simple as that. Anything we do to eliminate it just minimizes it at best. Some ways work better than others and a flooded cell be it "wet" or "dry" has current leakage some just a lot less. Current is going to travel on the path of least resistance. Strong electrolyte is a very good conductor. I will leave it at that.

[Mr_The_Carper]

..agree, disagree ... it is not a problem .. any constructive discussion is useful as an explanation of each in this story about HHO.
-problem is my english..hahaha..
-My opinion about the construction of cells is:
---Always try to get a cell high efficiency at low amps, 10amps max
--There are still some problems depending on the design, everything has advantages and disadvantages ... now depends on who is our aim
-perfect gas, a small amp-this gas has a little-a lot of gas, large ampere ... new problem is alternator-my alternator is 70A
---all this game with HHO is one big compromise...but we came away with HHO technology .. still needs a lot of work and explore
---I will show all the new cells, and their work ... Im going to new models of dry cell ... for now I am very pleased with the results.
--who knows .. maybe all that someone finds something for yourself and make a good fuel savings.. in Croatia I helped many people with cells, it makes me happy :D

[Zarko]

Well I guess we will just have agree to disagree. There is no such thing as dry HHO unless it has gone through some kind of dryer to take the moisture out.


There is no need for dryer because there is no any moisture here.



As far as leakage of current..... well there too we differ. Even a well built "dry" reactor will have some current leakage. It has to if the electrolyte is conductive. It is as simple as that. Anything we do to eliminate it just minimizes it at best.


What are we talking about? Current leakage with so small amps, cell without holes??



Strong electrolyte is a very good conductor. I will leave it at that.


Go ahead! Your engines enjoy in that conditions :eek:.

[lhazleton]

There is no need for dryer because there is no any moisture here.

There is still moisture present in any reactor due to the bubbles that carry the gasses.

What are we talking about? Current leakage with so small amps, cell without holes??

Amount of amperage has nothing to do with current leakage. The cell has no holes, but it is a wet-cell, and current leakage occurs wherever electrolyte is common around plates (top & bottom).

Go ahead! Your engines enjoy in that conditions :eek:.

Danek has built a fairly decent wet-cell reactor, but your ignorant posts trying to support his work are merely ruining his credibility. You obviously don't comprehend even simple electrolysis. Remember, you're the one that thought that more anodes would create more hydrogen.:rolleyes:

Zarko, you should really try to learn something about this technology before posting. Too bad keyboards can't sense low mentality rates & block ignorant nonsense.

[Zarko]

Danek has built a fairly decent wet-cell reactor, but your ignorant posts trying to support his work are merely ruining his credibility. You obviously don't comprehend even simple electrolysis. Remember, you're the one that thought that more anodes would create more hydrogen.:rolleyes:

Zarko, you should really try to learn something about this technology before posting. Too bad keyboards can't sense low mentality rates & block ignorant nonsense.

Don't worry my frend about my cells, electrolysis and knowing this technology. My the worst cell works much better (huge difference in electrolyte concentration (max 1% NaOH), and amp needed for 1 lit/min HHO) than your the best cell, be sure in that. 30A and 28% KOH in your car engine's setup shows enough about mentality rates:D.

[myoldyourgold]

Zarko, It is no use arguing about something that has been proven over and over again. If you use a mass spectrometer to examine what type of gas you are producing you will find many things. Moisture will be one one of them. (see chart below) This does not take a rocket scientist. I am not running down Danek's hard work. I am though disagreeing with the interpretation of the results. Danek has a lot of things right and buy trying to understand what others have done and compare he can improve his designs even more. There are some principles that do not change regardless of design and one is the moisture content of the gas. It is what happens naturally. Like I said before run plain air through water and it collects moisture. Simple fact no amps there at all and no heat! Let us not waste our time on this. Your posts are not contributing a thing by being so negative. Danek on the other hand is contributing even though we disagree he is doing the right thing not like you. There is no one person who has all the answers and there is still lots for all to learn. If you disagree with one of my statements like current leakage show me the tests that prove there is none. Electrolyte is a conductor and if it has less resistance than the stainless then current will follow the path of least resistance. In Danek's case he has reduced the amount of leakage by doing what he has done like most of us who use Weldon-16 but this does not eliminate it completely but reduces it to a level that one can live with. Now if he media blasts his plates he would improve his results even more.

Danko, you have done some interesting work and I suggest you keep up the good work. There is a lot of information here so read it and add some of the things that have proven to be very helpful. One thing more in the summer I am using a very weak electrolyte of only 1.o1 specific gravity and am getting very good results. 1 is plain water. This is so weak you can almost drink it.

[myoldyourgold]

There is no need for dryer because there is no any moisture here.

Zarko, To make my point a little clearer you are right when using HHO in a ICE you do not have to have a moisture filter if the bubbler is doing its job properly by scrubbing out the unwanted electrolyte. The dryer is used when measuring the amount of gas accurately that is created. Gas with moisture which takes up much more space than dry gas, making it look like you are producing more gas than you actually are. When you take the moisture out your results will be significantly less. Some claim that dry gas makes more power but the facts suggest that it is because of more gas per liter with the moisture removed and nothing else but that too is debatable.

Moisture if cleaned of electrolyte is a good thing and can assist in the process. It does a number of things like slow down the burn rate of the HHO, cool etc. Just make sure it has no or very little electrolyte in it. This is why bubbler construction is important especially when running maximum concentrations in the winter in the frozen north. I use boric acid in the summer in my water bubblers this helps neutralize the alkaline of the NaOH or KOH so what does escape does no harm. In winter I am using an oil based bubbler with boric acid which is still being tested but does not freeze.