vacuum ready reservoir!

[ultra_efficient]

upgrade my reservoir today for vacuum. fully ready for vacuum now but i have to let it set and dry for 24 hours. but this is what it looks like

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5305/dsc05373h.th.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/dsc05373h.jpg/)

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/1803/dsc05371d.th.jpg (http://img715.imageshack.us/i/dsc05371d.jpg/)

and this is what it will look like after installation

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/8944/dsc05362mm.th.jpg (http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc05362mm.jpg/)

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1276/dsc05363r.th.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/dsc05363r.jpg/)

vacuum here i come!!!

[lhazleton]

Richard,
Looks very nice, but I can't tell what exactly it is you're doing there.:confused: I'm obviously missing something & it's bugging the crap out of me LOL. Please kindly tell us what's different about this reservoir & what vacuum has to do with it.
Thanks!:D

[ultra_efficient]

the reservoir i was using first, if i should have connect it to my vacuum it would collapse it, so i build me one out of 1/2" abrasive acrylic but i have to do a double bubbler out of the same material soon and replace all my tubing to poly tubing to make them withstand the vacuum pressure of my engine.

the reason im going vacuum is because at a vacuum pressure its easier for your reactor to split the water molecule, thous lowering your amp draw and producing more HHO gas, not to mention directly porting to your intake valves.

i just finish installing the reservoir. its working perfect plus its pretty :D

[myoldyourgold]

It does look pretty. I try and hide my stuff because in some states they fine you for this stuff. By the way a vacuum will make water boil at a lower temperature. I do not think you want to do that or did I miss something. The thermodynamics of a reactor are so important and will get all out of whack by creating a vacuum and require a total redesign. I will be interested in your results. Others have tired it and had nothing but failures.

[lhazleton]

Thanks, Richard! Now I understand your logic behind it. It was bugging me for a bit there.......;)

[ultra_efficient]

i have tried the wet cells on vacuum before with high results but i dont know for sure how it will react with a dry cell yet but im sure it will react the same way and yes vacuum affect water in alot of ways as you have mentioned one that it allow the molecules to move easier thous boiling it will be easier because the molecules can move around faster and heats up quicker etc and its because of this same effect why it is easier to split it because the vacuum pressure makes it easier to split and move. this way you can use 5amps to make more than 1LPM and you don't need a PWM if you have a dry cell with 5 or 6 n plates. ill be buying more abrasive acrylic and poly tubing soon, when im done and start testing i will post videos.

[ultra_efficient]

installed and working perfect!. today i mixed the electrolyte rich to draw 30amps, im getting 4LPM now with no leaks like my last reservoir :D i cleaned everything and for the first time im using de-ionized water. the water made such a big difference. now i can drive at -40% correction because -40% is rich LOL

so clear and cool with no foam or water vapor. no steam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH8Wu1GHGg4

and the lights are nice for checking the water level at nights :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNDHnZ2ELYY

[ultra_efficient]

made a new primary bubbler.

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/8972/dsc05382i.th.jpg (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/dsc05382i.jpg/)

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4543/dsc05383eq.th.jpg (http://img695.imageshack.us/i/dsc05383eq.jpg/)

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5849/dsc05384eh.th.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/dsc05384eh.jpg/)

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1175/dsc05385e.th.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/i/dsc05385e.jpg/)

[ultra_efficient]

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4115/dsc05387p.th.jpg (http://img717.imageshack.us/i/dsc05387p.jpg/)

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2470/dsc05394u.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/dsc05394u.jpg/)

http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/7722/dsc05393t.th.jpg (http://img807.imageshack.us/i/dsc05393t.jpg/)

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/2747/dsc05392e.th.jpg (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/dsc05392e.jpg/)

[ultra_efficient]

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/6716/dsc05396e.th.jpg (http://img688.imageshack.us/i/dsc05396e.jpg/)

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/4189/dsc05397c.th.jpg (http://img571.imageshack.us/i/dsc05397c.jpg/)

http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/7852/dsc05391v.th.jpg (http://img864.imageshack.us/i/dsc05391v.jpg/)

[ultra_efficient]

new temporary primary bubbler installed

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/5927/dsc05402r.th.jpg (http://img847.imageshack.us/i/dsc05402r.jpg/)

http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/7245/dsc05403.th.jpg (http://img863.imageshack.us/i/dsc05403.jpg/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEBMLWIa4ng

[ultra_efficient]

installed a new and better one way check valve today

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2454/dsc05412k.th.jpg (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/dsc05412k.jpg/)

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1341/dsc05411hb.th.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/dsc05411hb.jpg/)

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/442/dsc05416d.th.jpg (http://img845.imageshack.us/i/dsc05416d.jpg/)

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4960/dsc05414p.th.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/dsc05414p.jpg/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Ebx4Uc8qU

[myoldyourgold]

To add to what Larry has said about vacuum which I totally agree with, is that a vacuum tends to make HHO go back to water in the intake manifold. Is this what you want and if it is why not just inject water? :eek:

[ultra_efficient]

thats what you think? :eek: ok

[H2OPWR]

thats what you think? :eek: ok

Richard, The last time you were here before you got banned everyone here including myself saw you as only trouble. This time it seems that you are trying to be a serious member and really try to help yet I still see these smart ass posts. Instead of making fun of others here why don't you do what I beleive you really want to do. Just express yourself in a professional manner and make your point with education as your motive.

I will tell you ane everyone my thoughts on vacuum injection. Forget everything else and all other arguements. You have the most vacuum when the throttle is closed and the least vacuum when the throttle is open. Exactly the opposite of when you need HHO. If the truth was known I beleive that you should have a vacuum selonoid that would shut off the cell under high vacuum and run wide open at low vacuum.

Larry

[ultra_efficient]

Richard, The last time you were here before you got banned everyone here including myself saw you as only trouble. This time it seems that you are trying to be a serious member and really try to help yet I still see these smart ass posts. Instead of making fun of others here why don't you do what I beleive you really want to do. Just express yourself in a professional manner and make your point with education as your motive.

I will tell you ane everyone my thoughts on vacuum injection. Forget everything else and all other arguements. You have the most vacuum when the throttle is closed and the least vacuum when the throttle is open. Exactly the opposite of when you need HHO. If the truth was known I beleive that you should have a vacuum selonoid that would shut off the cell under high vacuum and run wide open at low vacuum.

Larry

hahaaa its funny you point out my $mart a$$ comment but you didn't point out anybody else $mart a$$ comments. nobody even asked me how i was planning to run my HHO to my vacuum hahahaaa they just NO its a BAD idea you should NEVER do it its STUPID!. ok sir and when i do it and you see how i do it you will say "Great Scott man, thats a nice way to do it" but for now you dont even ask nothing about how im going to do it. you just say its wrong and stupid and bla bla bla.

its just like if i should have come on this forum and said im going to make a cell where none of the electrolyte passes through any of the cell plates, none of the plates edges will touch the electrolyte, none of the plates will have holes and circulate the electrolyte just like a regular dry cell. i bet you would have said "its totally impossible bla bla bla" so i guess most things its best i keep it to myself until its complete.

just stay tuned and learn. don't try to bomb rush me, it wont work because i think outside the box you are stuck in.

if you notice i never do what everybody else is doing like, cells with edges or holes, EFIE, small wires, ect..........

[H2OPWR]

hahaaa its funny you point out my $mart a$$ comment but you didn't point out anybody else $mart a$$ comments. nobody even asked me how i was planning to run my HHO to my vacuum hahahaaa they just NO its a BAD idea you should NEVER do it its STUPID!. ok sir and when i do it and you see how i do it you will say "Great Scott man, thats a nice way to do it" but for now you dont even ask nothing about how im going to do it. you just say its wrong and stupid and bla bla bla.

its just like if i should have come on this forum and said im going to make a cell where none of the electrolyte passes through any of the cell plates, none of the plates edges will touch the electrolyte, none of the plates will have holes and circulate the electrolyte just like a regular dry cell. i bet you would have said "its totally impossible bla bla bla" so i guess most things its best i keep it to myself until its complete.

just stay tuned and learn. don't try to bomb rush me, it wont work because i think outside the box you are stuck in.

if you notice i never do what everybody else is doing like, cells with edges or holes, EFIE, small wires, ect..........


Richard, Here you go again. I never used the word STUPID. I never insinuated that you were in any way stupid. I just expressed an opinion on hooking HHO to vacuum. That is what these forums are all about. People come here to learn and help both. I am not trying to bum rush anyone.

If you have a new way to hook HHO to vacuum please share but don't get your feelings hurt and start with smart ass comments if someone disagrees. As far as thinking out of the box. No one has gone further out of the box than I have. I continue to search for effeciency but do not run a cell on my vehicle. I am just a builder and experimentor.

Larry

[hhoconnection]

Richard, I have to chime in here as well. I just read this entire thread and nowhere is anyone being the slightest bit rude with you. Just take a deep breath, everyone here is on your side. I think there is just a simple communication issue here.

I would like to make one request of you. In your videos could you please talk. I would love to hear a detailed explanation of what you are doing. I think it would help clear up a lot of confusing issues as well.

Keep up the good work!

[ultra_efficient]

Richard, I have to chime in here as well. I just read this entire thread and nowhere is anyone being the slightest bit rude with you. Just take a deep breath, everyone here is on your side. I think there is just a simple communication issue here.

I would like to make one request of you. In your videos could you please talk. I would love to hear a detailed explanation of what you are doing. I think it would help clear up a lot of confusing issues as well.

Keep up the good work!

do you understand Jamaican? :D im kidding man ill try.

[hhoconnection]

do you understand Jamaican? :D

Ya Maan! :cool:

[ultra_efficient]

To add to what Larry has said about vacuum which I totally agree with, is that a vacuum tends to make HHO go back to water in the intake manifold. Is this what you want and if it is why not just inject water? :eek:

im sorry man i shouldn't have respond to this post like i did so here goes.

when you port HHO to your engine it has to enter the vacuum then the combustion chamber so the HHO have to enter vacuum no matter what. so if i port it directly to the vacuum and skip it being exposed to the air flow from the mail air intake so it will be more powerful or more potent than if i just port it in the air stream then enter vacuum.

in reality EVERYBODY is porting to their vacuum but they just port it in front of the vacuum and wait for it to travel to the vacuum then combustion chamber.

by porting your HHO directly to the vacuum it eliminate the mix time it has with air, the only time it will have is in the vacuum and that's short as the combustion chamber is closer.

[myoldyourgold]

No problem I am an easy going Guy. I still think you have not understood the problems of sucking the HHO in. I will relist some of them but I think you will have to do it and discover them for yourself. Vacuum is high at idle sucking more HHO and low when accelerating when you would like more HHO. Under the right conditions and high enough vacuum HHO goes back to water. You are right that the HHO gets to the vacuum but only after it has been mixed with air and not more at idle and less when accelerating. Putting it in closer to the combustion chamber has some negatives and possibly some positives. To get the max amount of work out of HHO you really do not want it to burn so fast. If anything you want to slow it down as much as possible. HP is made by a slow burn not an explosion especially if it comes while the piston is coming up on the compression stroke. By getting it closer to the combustion chamber it will not be as diluted and will be faster not slower. If you want to prove how this works just input 8 lpm or more into your engine and see what happens. More is not always better!! I have not even gotten into the problems with the bubbler and the reactor. I will say this if you can use the vacuum and not create a vacuum in the bubbler or the reactor and get less HHO at idle and more at higher RPM then go for it. I just do not think that is possible. The hole thing is a balancing act or you end up with no gains. I have tried something like this for other reasons and it does not work.

[ultra_efficient]

i have an idea what you mean as if the fuel mix is more HHO to gasoline and air then the combustion will become more of a implosion than an explosion causing the piston to pull instead of push thus having back fires ect but if you can adjust your timing where the firing of the plug takes place at bottom dead center then an implosion would be PERFECT. as i said before "its all about tuning" which includes timing weather its top dead center or bottom dead center. if i can administer enough HHO and lean the gasoline enough to have a implosion i will be set for life but i know it will take about 10 to 15LPM which means maybe square miles of reaction surface and a very efficient alternator.

right now i have hit a bit of luck as i have access to FREE stainless steel sheets and just today(Sunday.if the sun haven't rise for me its still the day before) i have just received an email from someone who would like to remain anonymous, donated us$250 for me to buy the AFC Neo in my city. i would like to take this time out to say THANKS a million!!!. so im going to build a few 6"x6" 4 stack 6 neutrals cells and save towards buying a high amp PMA.

if i can get a 200amp PMA that don't crate too much drag on the belt then i think ill be able to get enough HHO to create an implosion, after that re-timing is easy. :D

[lhazleton]

Good Lord Almighty...........Look who decides to show his mug!
Shane, where the hell ya been? You & The Purple Pimp get put away for a while or something???????????:D:D

[ultra_efficient]

Pure HHO creates an implosion after the explosion due to the reformation of water, add gas and no more implosion.

Did I just do what I think I did.... OMG!!!

Shane

yes with more HHO than gasoline you will have more implosion than explosion. its very simple, hydrogen implodes and gasoline explodes so if you add more of an imploding fuel then the implosion will be greater than the explosion. if you have more gasoline than hydrogen then the explosion is stronger, so the best fuel mixture and timing to have is where the explosion and implosion is 50/50% so that the explosion firing takes place at top dead center and the implosion take place at bottom dead center, then you will be running your engine at FULL efficiency that's why i have to use a AFC

[BioFarmer93]

Guys.... Nitrogen, 80%, without it the whole thing doesn't work. Richard, when you figure out how to get the implosion to happen in the pressence of nitrogen, and just before BDC, give me a call- I want to be your business manager..

[ultra_efficient]

Guys.... Nitrogen, 80%, without it the whole thing doesn't work. Richard, when you figure out how to get the implosion to happen in the pressence of nitrogen, and just before BDC, give me a call- I want to be your business manager..

i think with enough hydrogen to fuel and air the implosion will start to take effect closer and closer to BDC with a little help from adjusting the timing to fire as soon as possible etc....

hey i made a new all in one reservoir and bubblers system, and a new cell 6"x6" 29 plates, 6 neutrals per stack. its very very efficient, i think sealing the holes with weld-on #16 is almost as good as the no hole cell so im going to make one more just like this. i think i can get 4LPM out of this for maybe 35AMPS or 33AMPS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAnDjx2dWrM

im putting this on our 1999 Yukon Denali V8 SUV and re-tune with a VAFC. shooting for 30MPG. currently at 15MPG

[lhazleton]

Richard,
Very nice system! Lots of time and thought involved, that's for sure. Great job!!

[hhoconnection]

Good job on the video Richard. You actually talked, thanks I really think it helps. Better watch what you are talking about though (the spleef reference). :D

[ultra_efficient]

LOL i dont smoke neither does my girl, i was just messing with her LOL. thanks i did put some time into that thing. tonight is one of them nights where you forget to turn off your HHO system because you think you know alot about HHO now and some thing just dont happen to you anymore....... well let me just say this to all the new people and to all the older people too who gets comfortable sometimes with HHO, sometimes too comfortable. always remember that this stuff is very VERY powerful stuff. dont for a minute let your guard down on the safety that you MOST comply with no matter what.

that said, tonight i just finish working on my SUV, well half done because i haven't installed the VAFC yet. but yea i did all the plumbing and all the wiring, the switch was just connected direct for now so i have to turn it off right before i turn off the engine and on right after i turn on the engine. after i finish all the wiring and plumbing i decide to take it for a trip to Publix to but some more de-ionized water. the SUV felt like a totally different car, it was way more powerful, way more quicker, smooth idle, ect ect...all the things you get with just adding HHO to factory tune.

when i reach Publix i didn't remember to turn off the HHO system :eek:
i spent about 5mins tops in Publix, when i got out and back int he SUV and turn the key, *yes you know* BOOM. air filter box blow off, vortec box blown to pieces LMAO thank God for the one way check valve(it took the hit for my all in one reservoir and bubbler system), check valve blown in two, every hose connected to the main air intake blow off LOL. smoke coming from under the hood LOL.

it was too funny after a long day installing it, i stuff a rag in the hole leading to the vortec box and barely limped home LOL. ill post pics in the morning but im uploading a video of the setup before it blow it LOL.

i think the link will be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91jxJKDIsAo when its done. im going to bed, talk to you guys tomorrow.

[lhazleton]

Well, at least you didn't harm the system. You've done an extremely beautiful job with it and it would be a shame if anything were to destroy it. Kudos, Richard!:D

[ultra_efficient]

things wasn't that bad but still did some damage.

air filter box clips got busted off LOL
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/9285/dsc05559mu.th.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/dsc05559mu.jpg/)

Vortec box in pieces
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7004/dsc05555yk.th.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/dsc05555yk.jpg/)

thank God this piece made it unscathed
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5360/dsc05557q.th.jpg (http://img812.imageshack.us/i/dsc05557q.jpg/)

and the throttle body wasn't damaged either
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5571/dsc05556w.th.jpg (http://img195.imageshack.us/i/dsc05556w.jpg/)

cap the port leading to the Vortec box and replaced the one way check valve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzulGEfmqNs

everything back to where they were before the big bang LOL

the video is still uploading

[ultra_efficient]

WRONG. HHO EXPLODES. If in a sealed container that survives the explosion, pure HHO will leave a small vacuum caused by the reformation of the water. This will not happen in an ICE for many reasons. The easiest to explain being the internal heat will cause the water to become steam which takes up more space than water.

Shane

so Mr.Jackson you are saying there is no implosion at all happening in the engine? how much percent of your air flow are you ionizing? have you every tried to ionized 90% of it? and port 2LPM of HHO for each engine displacement?

[myoldyourgold]

so Mr.Jackson you are saying there is no implosion at all happening in the engine? how much percent of your air flow are you ionizing? have you every tried to ionized 90% of it? and port 2LPM of HHO for each engine displacement?

Richard I have been ionizing the air for some years and have found some very helpful and interesting things but to inject 2 LPM for each engine displacement is next to impossible. Just give it a little more serious thought, you are on the right track. You will find that the HP it takes to make the HHO is still not being over come by what you think is happening in the combustion chamber. You do not need that much HHO. If what you think you can do is possible then you have perpetual motion. Not possible at least not in this set up. I still have an open mind but not where I and others have tested and found that it doesn't work. I would be more than happy for you to prove me and science wrong though so keep working on it.

[ultra_efficient]

Richard I have been ionizing the air for some years and have found some very helpful and interesting things but to inject 2 LPM for each engine displacement is next to impossible. Just give it a little more serious thought, you are on the right track. You will find that the HP it takes to make the HHO is still not being over come by what you think is happening in the combustion chamber. You do not need that much HHO. If what you think you can do is possible then you have perpetual motion. Not possible at least not in this set up. I still have an open mind but not where I and others have tested and found that it doesn't work. I would be more than happy for you to prove me and science wrong though so keep working on it.

even with a PMA and maybe a TEG system on the exhaust? what if i was getting 20AMPS from the exhaust?

or 20AMPS fromt he PMA and 30AMPS from the TEG's?