My first HHO (tips/suggestions more then welcom)

[danz409]

ok, i just joined these forums. not familiar with what is where yet. i didn't see any threads for new ideas, or anything along those lines. so i figured this would probably be the best spot for it. but i have plans to start with this wonderful HHO technologist. iv did some small-scale testing. before researching. and even have a you-tube on that. found here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfRKIFN-chs

however those experiments was a bust. after messing around with it i realized i didn't have the right materials. so. after i get some stainless steel this is the design i plan to make and test. tho my equipment is very basic. i have a power-supply i made from a computer power supply. so no pulse / phase circuitry at all
even if i did have it. i wouldn't know what frequency is the sweet spot.

anyway, here's the look at my design

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p2/danz409/eletrnoics%20and%20schamatics/th_danzHHO10.jpg (http://s124.photobucket.com/albums/p2/danz409/eletrnoics%20and%20schamatics/?action=view&current=danzHHO10.jpg)

any tips or comments on increasing the efficacy without making my head explode is more then welcome

also if you know of any good beginner tutorial threads id love to see them

[Marlon]

You have found a wonderful resource of information in the forum, If you want to save gas just get yourself a quality HHO kit and install it on your car using the manufacturers instructions.

http://myhhohybrid.com/index.html

[danz409]

no thanks. id rather do it myself. id rather not dish out $97 for instructions and then have to dish out more for parts. i'm kinda low budget atm. my car blew a head and cracked the block so i had to dish out my last penny to get another car...

[lhazleton]

danz409,
The reactor you're working on is called a 'Randy Cell'. It's an old design, but some folks swear by them. Bob over at http://www.hydroxyhut.com has lots of posts and info on this style.

[danz409]

sweet! was beginning to have doubts on these forums. don't see much activity considering how popular and revolutionary this technology is. my application is to eventually make a cell for my car. its a smaller car so if the amp draw from this design is too much for my tiny 55 amp alternator guss i have to look into more light energy use designs

I'm currently driving a 95 or 96 i forget witch, mercury tracer trio edition, this car in almost every way is simuler to the ford escort of the same years

its got a 1.9L V4

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p2/danz409/CAR%20%20HHO/th_GEDC0658.jpg (http://s124.photobucket.com/albums/p2/danz409/CAR%20%20HHO/?action=view&current=GEDC0658.jpg)

any suggestions on how much HHO i should be making for a car this size and how much energy it should use for the amount made.

[danz409]

i don't know much about car electronics. i was kinda hoping to put this on there and instantly the car will seance that less gas is needed and work instantly. looks like i got a few thing s to learn. so what is the device your talking about that I'm going to have to modify or replace?

Edit:-----------------
nvm i found what it is.. the computer part that tells the fuel injectors to spray the amount of go juice. blagh

so does cars that don't have fuel injection (just streaght up crabarator) need any other modifications to get the MPGs you want?

[lhazleton]

No car will get gains with just HHO. You have to trick the O2 sensors into thinking the engine is running rich so less fuel is dumped. Also, when HHO is mixed with gas vapors, it burns much more quickly. Therefore, the ignition timing must be retarded. On the 1.9, you have an O2 sensor before and after the cat. Both of these need to be adjusted with an EFIE. These sensors should be the narrow band style, so adding between 200 - 350mv's should lean the mixture enough to see gains without losing performance.

[danz409]

got my parts to try to make that cell. unfortunately I'm having some problems...
discovery of solder not sticking to SS... blag. gonna have to weld a bus line on the washers, gonna have to make a mini-welder first

[rcflyn]

You CAN Soldier to Stainless. I just can't remember what the stuff is called that you have to apply first. It's kinda like a FLUX.
I'd call my SS Supplier and find out, but he's Amish, and don't have a phone.
I'm sure somebody knows what the stuff is I'm talking about.

[danz409]

meh. im not going to go thu alot of trouble and hasstle just to put something on thats gonna wear away easly. ill just go ahead and mess with my grandpas arc welder and weld some rods on it. a little bit more permanet. i just hope the welds dont gung up the water

[22350]

there is a myriad of problems with that design you are doing.

You can't have aluminum involved in these things. Second, even spacing between the cathode and anode must be maintained.

Clean distilled water with a electrolyte.

Just do some google searching and you will find all sorts of designs.

Right now everyone is building the "dry cells", because they are one of the easiest to make a lot of gas.

good luck.... and you are correct you don't need to buy any designs.