Another Bubbler Question

[astrocady]

If you use Vinegar in a bubbler to neutralize any possible KOH residue before injecting the HHO into the air cleaner, do you need to worry about any corrosion or damage from the vinegar that may get picked up by the HHO as it passed through t he bubbler?

Steve

[fastcompacts]

With a quick search on google i could not readily find anywhere that mentioned that vinegar would even corrode or harm SS or aluminum. I did find that its a good rust remover :p. But i would much rather risk a little vinegar getting into my intake than any e-lyte. If you are that worried about getting vinegar in your engine make another bubbler with just water so that would filter out the vinegar. Just a thought and Good luck:)

[BioFarmer93]

I suppose that would really depend on its strength.. Does anyone actually use undiluted vinegar? Personally 10% is the strongest I'll use but that is in a turbulated bubbler backed up with a turbulated fresh water bubbler, so you end up diluting an already dilute neutralizer to the point of being a chemically insignificant trace element.

[Humanoid_1]

One thing that has been on my mind is an empty "bubbler" chamber to catch any liquid from last bubbler in system, or from reservoir if no bubbler is present...

The idea being that under heavy breaking or acceleration, liquid could reach the gas output tube and be pushed along towards the engine inlet.

Most of them that I have seen would have problems under such conditions I think.

Anyways, good luck.

[Owen_]

One thing that has been on my mind is an empty "bubbler" chamber to catch any liquid from last bubbler in system, or from reservoir if no bubbler is present...

The idea being that under heavy breaking or acceleration, liquid could reach the gas output tube and be pushed along towards the engine inlet.

Most of them that I have seen would have problems under such conditions I think.

Anyways, good luck.
that is a good idea, i don't like the idea of having large vessels filled with HHO, but an additional dry chamber, maybe even w/a paper filter seems like it could prevent some problems, at lest it couldn't hurt.

[Humanoid_1]

I see your point too,

but...

pure HHO in a sealed chamber does not explode, it implodes - there are quite a few videos on youtube where you can see people intentionally "blowing" their main bubbler chambers to test this.

Is a fairly strong reaction, but in most cases not a problem to the reservoir + of course a flash back arrestor can be used.

Flashback Arrestor Note:
Do not use those check valve types... they don't work very well. Have seen a number of kits supplied with them.

Check out this video I just found demonstrating this as part of their sale - looks good actually:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThTmG9Hbiis

Though I have never heard of a flashback problem in a car, only from torches...
...the reason this should not happen is simply that the concentration of HHO once feeding into the intake is not enough to burn once so diluted. Even going by high pressure hot turbo etc.

[Humanoid_1]

Yeah, I was quite impressed with that vid, will be buying a few too I think - never was tooo keen on the potentially restrictive brass wool types.

Are these ClearFlash things restrictive to flow much or at all??

...Never mind will sort something else for myself or make my own type, they don't ship outside US.

[N11634]

I can't seem to find this arrester anywhere on the net besides YouTube. Does anyone have a link to where I can buy one?

[cabrera]

I can't seem to find this arrester anywhere on the net besides YouTube. Does anyone have a link to where I can buy one?

He's on Ebay

http://shop.ebay.com/bruceenergetics/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

[N11634]

Thanks! I searched 3 different ways and never found this one!:confused:

[N11634]

I'm hoping to make a bit more than that, but I'm sure it will be fine. Ya can't beat the price.:D

[N11634]

Agreed, a friend and I were researching these today and he found a few homemade jobbers for more money, but all worked well. The guys chasing down parts to make them at home can't match the prices of the mass-produced ones, unfortunatly.

[H2OPWR]

I see your point too,

but...

pure HHO in a sealed chamber does not explode, it implodes - there are quite a few videos on youtube where you can see people intentionally "blowing" their main bubbler chambers to test this.

Is a fairly strong reaction, but in most cases not a problem to the reservoir + of course a flash back arrestor can be used.

Flashback Arrestor Note:
Do not use those check valve types... they don't work very well. Have seen a number of kits supplied with them.

Check out this video I just found demonstrating this as part of their sale - looks good actually:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThTmG9Hbiis

Though I have never heard of a flashback problem in a car, only from torches...
...the reason this should not happen is simply that the concentration of HHO once feeding into the intake is not enough to burn once so diluted. Even going by high pressure hot turbo etc.

Do not try this. I am unsure where you got that information. While HHO will have an implosion it is only AFTER a huge explosion. Any chamber filled with only HHO and ignited will explode. No ifs and or buts. Trust me here. I have done this many times. It will explode.

Larry