Honest MPG HHO systems

[Jager]

I would like for those of you that actually have a working HHO system that is producing better MPG, to describe their set up.

Please NO wishful thinkers!

This thread is only for those that actually have a set up that's doing more then consuming gasoline to make amps that making browns gas.

There are many of us out here that are frustrated to the point of tossing the whole idea because of bad advise and junk science i.e Double O2 extenders, aluminum wrapped 02 sensors, EFIE that don't work or only work for a few hundred miles before the ECU gets wise.

What I would like to see is a list of what work and what doesn't. We the beginner are tiered of spending money on snake oil. These Snake oil types need to find another way of making money rather then on the backs hopeful experimenters trying to save their family a few bucks on gas every month.

If I've offended anyone, My apologies..... to those that are legitimate and have products and systems that work, we would like to hear from you and how we can duplicate you success.

Thank you for you endulgence,

Jager

[Jager]

Glad to see we have so many people interested in an honest gloves off debate about HHO. :cool:

[ridelong]

jager,

I have an HHO setup in my 2003 2.3 liter Ford Ranger. Been running it for over a year now. My baseline MPG was 22 MPG with no HHO.

Using 316 plates in a +nnnn-nnnn+ arrangement spaced 1/16 apart. Plates are in a quart jar and using KOH as electrolyte. Drawing from 5 to 10 amps. In line catch jar/flash supressor.

Best milage was 30.6 MPG, but now I'm getting 23 to 25 MPG pretty consistantly. I think driving habits play a part here.

I designed the temperature feedback PWM (I'm an BSEE). The schematic is posted on this site. It runs the gen full bore till it gets to 180 deg F, Then it pulse width modulates the power to maintain 180F.

There is no carbon in the tail pipe.

Curiously, I made one for my friend's Toyota tacoma truck. It did not work at all, and he pulled it.

Hope this helps.

Russ

[oicu812]

if you can cough up $3,500 bucks a company in tampa sells the hydrorunner G3 installed. its computer controlled and works along with the cars existing computer. it injects hho at the injectors not into the air filter. and it uses plain water no caustic koh or naoh. independent testing labs have confirmed a 81% increase in milage. a F350 went from 21 mpg to 38.9 mpg.3500 bucks buys a lot of gas but it would pay for itself after a couple years. they will transfer the system if you buy a new car for a aditional $200 bucks.the name of the company is check engine out of tampa bay. google hydrorunner G3 for more info.

[Jager]

Thanks for the replies........

After watching the interview with Bob Boyce on youtube, I am all but convinced HHO works. What is frustrating are the false claims by companies and people who just want to make a quick buck. After hearing Bob speak, that's been HIS biggest frustration. People taking his ideas and making cheap knock offs that don't work because of the lack of attention detail. Most lack the process and material quality in producing a workable system. I'll be following Bob's every suggestion from here on out and see where that takes me.

I guess you can't expect much more in a free country (for now) and an open forum.

Anyone else have a working system they would like to share with us......?

Thanks for the soap box!

jager

[glester]

Well, I am not getting an 81 percent increase, but I have seen gains of up to 20 percent (tank averages) with my system that I purchased from www.hydrogen-boost.com. I didn't shell out 3500 bucks either : About half that, installed. My system runs open loop which means I have the upstream O2 sensor disconnected. I control the A/F mixture via a 50K ohm pot that is wired into the MAP sensor. I have a 1998 toyota Corolla LE, 4 spd auto, and using Scangauge as a guide, I am seeing upwards of 55 miles per gallon on flat stretches of highway at 55 miles per hour. The HHO system is not on all the time, but is switched on via the combination of both a vacuum switch and a high current relay. The unit will not switch on until the MAP goes above 5.0. I've had this system since October 2008 and am quite satisfied with the performance. Fran Giroux is one of the honest guys in the business who does NOT make outlandish mileage claims. Check out his website. BTW, I am neither a dealer nor a representative of Hydrogen Boost. Hope this helps!

George

[Jager]

George,

Yours and Ridealong are exactly what I'm looking for as far as real world recounts of realistic products and claims from responsible companies and or systems.

This type of information people can take to the bank.

thank you.......

Jager

[glester]

I'm glad to have helped ! Thanks!:)

George

[HHOhoper]

Hi Jager,

I spent a lot of time experimenting and researching before I was able to put together something that actually gave me gains. I more or less copied a lot of the work that SmithJetta did, but I have an open-bath generator on my Grand Prix and I am getting a solid 20% increase on average. I have not mod'ed my exhaust system, computer system, or any other functionality with my engine. I merely piped the HHO gas into my air intake and saw solid gains. I've tested this over the course of almost a year to make sure it wasn't a fluke, or me subconsciously easing off the gas, hoping to see improvements. When I say I've seen a 20% solid increase, it's tried and true.
I really would like to go to a dry-cell design just because I've heard so many good things about them, but in the meantime this IS working. My cell is completely home-made and it cost me about just under $100 for ALL the parts and materials to have it running. It runs about 1.5 amps and I only ever have to add water every couple of months. I made an exact duplicate and tried to put it in my Jeep and it didn't do a thing.
Don't give up; I almost did several times right before I finally cracked it for my car and while I'm not getting free fuel by any means, getting a 20% increase on MPG was/is definitely satisfying.
My father made the exact same cells for his '94 Suburban and went from 13 MPG average to 18. He also put one in their huge motorhome and saw a solid 20% increase with that as well. The stuff works, it's just a matter of cracking the code for your vehicle. My Jeep is stubbornly refusing the stuff and I'm always thinking of what I can do to crack that. My father could never get their '98 Tahoe to take either.

Hang in there and good luck!

[Jager]

I've been pondering what is it that produces better gas mileage in some vehicles and not others....

What are the facts..... what would give an engine better economy?

If you keep and engine tuned (yes)
If you clean the combustion chamber of all the built up carbon would it run more efficient (yes)
If you can run your engine cooler would it run more efficient (probably)

Would a brand new car running HHO get better gas mileage (not necessary)
Would a new engine burn the fuel more effectively using HHO (probably)

Reading Dodge Viper's latest testimonial, saying he was giving up the ghost on trying to make his system work was more then a little disconcerting. After all the great work he did and saw little or no gain in fuel economy. I conclude in a new vehicle all you can realistically hope for is a positive gain in usable horse power, maybe a cooler running motor and cleaner exhaust and that's about it. In a new car there is little or no carbon build up, there are no warn out ignition parts... that vehicle is running at as high a level of effecentcy as it will ever see save a better way to ignite the F/A mixture (Fire storm plugs) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abwXApkLhbc

Although I believe the benefits of HHO are still very real. A cleaner, cooler more efficient running engine is nothing to scoff at.

I have found that the benefits of HHO in an old motor are far more dramatic then in a newer engine, do to the over all cleaning properties of HHO. That's the real tragedy of the cash for clunker program , way to go feds......... All those perfectly serviceable vehicle ruined for what?

I'm I wrong in my assesment?

Jager

[Helz_McFugly]

im new to the forum. Ive been building off what Ive found on youtube and the advice of the users there. I have a 2008 Dodge Charger with a V6. the first HHO Gen. I installed on there was a crude one. very little bubbling going on but i got about 5 MPG's increase. I started at 19 MPG's. I drive 60 miles round trip every day. same rought, no traffic. after alot of research Ive rebuilt this a few times and are at a point now that ive just got a basic setup under my hood. its in a water filter. 3 stainless 2.5" x 6" plates - + - about 1/8 gap, mixture is 1/2 tsp of sodium hydroxide to 16 oz of water (today being my first day with SH by the way). I was using baking soda. with the baking soda I was getting the orange gunk pretty fast and lots of heat but on a 60 miles trip I got 36.5 MPG's. blew my mind. I found out about the crystal drano (sodium hydroxide) and KOH (red devil lye) so i switched to SH last night. I filled up last night and drove to work today. It looks like Ive used about 1/16 of a tank, kinda hard to tell but when i was using the baking soda it looked as if i didnt use any fuel. but im going to go the rest of the week before i fill up and check it. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE GETTING THIS MUCH OF AN INCREASE IN MPG'S?

[Farmercal]

Jager,

I have yet to get an increase in gas mileage but I am producing HHO.

My problem has been stopping the leaks. I have a modified smacks booster and in final stages of the latest rebuild to prevent leaks of any kind. I know I was producing gas because the sight glass showed a lot of bubbling shortly after starting the unit.

The problem was as pressure built up it blew leaks into every place that I drilled a hole to mount the bolts to connect voltage and HHO exit holes even though I thought I plugged it good enough with silicone.

I am confident that when I get this thing back together I will get some increase in mileage but not sure how much gain it will produce. I have been at this for almost a year (part time), and feel like I finally have the booster built properly. If this build produces good results, I will give the dry cell and try.

Cal

[Helz_McFugly]

hell i found darn near the same setup i have on friggin ebay. some guy in europe is making 10 and 16 plate cells exactly like the one im planning on making and hes also selling them with the same water sediment filter im using. i found lots of cells on there to tell ya the truth. I had no idea the community of people doing this was so large. Ide like to see results on an 18 wheeler. I still want to know if anyone is getting near double their MPG's like i am. could it just be my cars computer liking the HHO like herion :confused:

[M34me]

im new to the forum. Ive been building off what Ive found on youtube and the advice of the users there. I have a 2008 Dodge Charger with a V6. the first HHO Gen. I installed on there was a crude one. very little bubbling going on but i got about 5 MPG's increase. I started at 19 MPG's. I drive 60 miles round trip every day. same rought, no traffic. after alot of research Ive rebuilt this a few times and are at a point now that ive just got a basic setup under my hood. its in a water filter. 3 stainless 2.5" x 6" plates - + - about 1/8 gap, mixture is 1/2 tsp of sodium hydroxide to 16 oz of water (today being my first day with SH by the way). I was using baking soda. with the baking soda I was getting the orange gunk pretty fast and lots of heat but on a 60 miles trip I got 36.5 MPG's. blew my mind. I found out about the crystal drano (sodium hydroxide) and KOH (red devil lye) so i switched to SH last night. I filled up last night and drove to work today. It looks like Ive used about 1/16 of a tank, kinda hard to tell but when i was using the baking soda it looked as if i didnt use any fuel. but im going to go the rest of the week before i fill up and check it. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE GETTING THIS MUCH OF AN INCREASE IN MPG'S?

Are you using an efie? Or just the genertator?

[Helz_McFugly]

ive unplugged the MAF and have a resister in its place. I have my 02 sensor in an extender. I dont have a MAP controller yet but need one. what type of EFIE would you go with. the one Im think of getting is this one.

http://tiny.cc/xn9Lf

whats ya think?

[biggy boy]

Thats just a pot and a couple of resistors for your MAP.
Are you looking for an O2 sensor EFIE?

[Helz_McFugly]

Im looking for everything I need to control my ECM better. I thought taking the 02 sensor out of the flow of exhaust would tell the ECM to run lean. and unhooking the MAF and bypassing it with the resister would also help. if not then yes Im looking for one to control my 02 better as well as my MAP. and if theres a way to control my MAF better im all ears. :D

BTW, Im running a 10 plate wet cell that produces about 1.5 LPS of HHO

[Helz_McFugly]

well I guess my 36.5 mpg was short lived. this last tank of gas yielded 25 mpg. I guess i need to to more mods to me ecm. it seems to be working against me now. ill take this to a new thread now

[ProfessorRico]

I have a 1975 K25 Suburban with a 350/350 setup and I run one HHO generator into the service vacuum port on the Edelbrock carburetor.

http://www.richardlaurens.com/OLD/images/carbhho.jpg

I have fatter metering rods, for upper lean, and set the idle screws to a lean setting also.

http://www.richardlaurens.com/OLD/images/new1.jpg

I think all it does it compensate for the lean condition without the bad effects like dieseling or heat. Maybe it turns back into water, or just catalyzes with the gasoline differently than normal air.

Here is my setup, in complete embarrassing detail...
http://www.richardlaurens.com/OLD/bio.html

Let me know what you think. I am adding more generators and a Propane carburetor in the future. The truck is tough, but it needs more than HHO right now.

[astrocady]

I am courious -- for those of you seeing a gain, what ratio of HHO to engine size are you running?

I have a unit on my 1991 Plymouth Acclaim that I use for a test bed. It has a 3 liter V6 engine. I started out generating a little less than half a liter per minute of hho, and saw no increase in MPG. I'm currently generating a little over 1 lpm, which is getting me 10% increase in MPG. This equates to about 1/3 lpm of HHO to liter of engine displacement. Next week I"ll be going to 1.5 lpm hoping to see an even greater increase in MPG.

I am running an EFIE set at .250 to the one and only o2 sensor. Same settings for all tests. All test at least 2 tanks of gass in duration.