Calling Quits, My HHO Days Are Over

[DodgeViper]

Well I have pulled the plug on HHO. I have been silent on my testing as I wanted no input from others. The first think I did was put the truck through a series of mileage checks on days with no wind driving on checked inflated tires using a Garmin GPS. All miles driven were on the interstate using the cruise control set at 75MPH. I had access to refill the gas tank right off of the freeway. MPG was recorded on three different attempts and each attempt was 60 miles in each direction for a roundtrip of 120 miles. MPG was 15.2, 15.4, 15.6.

I may add prior to the testing I had installed and tested my EFIE to make sure I could lean the engine out and cause the check engine light to appear. Once I was happy with the readings I had set the EFIE back to zero before I drove and recorded the MPG above.

Next was to select a day that I would begin testing with HHO. Because I had not changed out the alternator I needed to be very careful on what systems I had on while the engine was running. The Electrolyzer was setup to deliver 6LPM and pulling slightly over 70 amps. I decided that I would increase the MV to .250 to the computers on my first run on the interstate. Again I check the tire pressure prior to this test. I drove 60 miles and a return of 60 miles. Pulled into the service station and filled the tank. To my surprise my MPG had decreased to 14.3 MPG. At this point I decided to pull a few spark plugs and check the burn color. The few plugs I check appeared to be slightly black leading me to believe the engine is running rich.

On the next run I bumped up the MV from the EIFE to 300mv and drove the truck a good 30 miles with NO HHO with the idea that the computers will make an adjustment. Next I return to the service station and refilled the truck. Again I set out on the same 60 miles out and 60 miles back filling the tank full again and checking my mileage. The MPG jumped back over 15 MPG.

On my next trip a week later I decided to make an adjustment on the EFIE to 350mv. Again I checked the tire pressure set the GPS, turned on the Electrolyzer and set out on my usual 120 mile trip. On my return I pulled a few plugs after the engine had cooled down and the burn color was a slight gray color which is perfect. Next was to pull into the station and fill the tank. Again the mileage recorded was 15.1 MPG.

Being disappointed I shutdown everything and head home. Having been involved in racing Score Off-Road, Top Fuel Hydro’s I do not know what more I can do to bring a change to the engine to see a gain in mileage. Maybe on an older vehicle using a carb would be the difference but these newer vehicles with all the computers I believe we are missing something. I thought of removing the EFIE and try O2 extensions but I believe this also will be a waste of my time.

I gave it a try, Installed what I believe is a very nice setup that looks clean but proved to me no gains, Built a torch and had fun on how hho gas is made and burn in the torch, built a cool flow meter, and made some videos, but my time and money in this adventure has come to an end…

There are a lot of good people involved in HHO production but I have not read ANY success stories worth a hoot. Been a member to a few different forums and have watched many YouTube videos and may add many really bad videos with outrageous claims, but at the end it really comes down to what we use to make the HHO gas and how nasty these products are to the engine itself. For those that are going to continue their quest GOOD LUCK!!! :)

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/14/1347686/40.jpg

My HHO Prodject http://www.hhoforums.com/showthread.php?t=2542

[HHO BLASTER]

Well no one can say you don't do neat work, nice job

[Q-Hack!]

Tis the problem with scientific method... She can be disappointing at times.

Welcome to the club ;)

[oicu812]

this is what i've been saying all allong and no one will listen... trying to use your vehicals alternator to generate hho is absoulutly rediculous . the constant load on your alternator reduces any gains you might have seen with the added hho. you'ld be better off chemicly producing pure h2 storring it in a tank and than introducing it to the air intake. simply running your car with the running lights on reduces your mileage by .5 a gallon. what do you expect with a constant 30 to 60 amp load will do.

[diesel133]

Way too much amps, your alternator is going to need more power to give your generator energy so it uses more fuel. My 01 dodge 1500 with 35" tires gets 28hwy using 12-15 amps and about 1.5-1.8 lpm. By-the-way your efie should not set off a check engine code, lean out the fuel right before you start to feel the drag.

[mileageseeker]

Way too much amps, your alternator is going to need more power to give your generator energy so it uses more fuel. My 01 dodge 1500 with 35" tires gets 28hwy using 12-15 amps and about 1.5-1.8 lpm. By-the-way your efie should not set off a check engine code, lean out the fuel right before you start to feel the drag.

Just curious, is your truck factory equipped with 35 inch tires and so the odometer calibrated for them or did you have to have odo recalibrated to properly read with them? Also please describe the cell you're using to get that quantity of gas with that small amount of current. I'd like to get my hands on one of them for evaluation.

[Painless]

DV,

Before you give up completely, and I do know how you feel (just read my thread), try going through RadGenH2O's channel on youtube. He got good results using 3.5 LPM at a 40 amp draw with just doubled O2 extenders and HHO fed right up against the throttle butterfly.

Russ.

[jericoriver]

Way too much amps, your alternator is going to need more power to give your generator energy so it uses more fuel. My 01 dodge 1500 with 35" tires gets 28hwy using 12-15 amps and about 1.5-1.8 lpm. By-the-way your efie should not set off a check engine code, lean out the fuel right before you start to feel the drag.

Please tell us about your cell. I'd like to know, thats a pretty high MMW. Thanks.

[DodgeViper]

Way too much amps, your alternator is going to need more power to give your generator energy so it uses more fuel. My 01 dodge 1500 with 35" tires gets 28hwy using 12-15 amps and about 1.5-1.8 lpm. By-the-way your efie should not set off a check engine code, lean out the fuel right before you start to feel the drag.

This one is hard for me to swallow... I too have 35" tires and this is why I used a GPS for my mileage calculations.

[HHO BLASTER]

Presented paper describes the dynamometer test results of a study where a small
amount of hydrogen-oxygen mixture, produced by hydrogen-oxygen generator is
added to the intake of a diesel engine.

http://www.fisita.com/students/congress/SCpapers/sc11.pdf

[Roland Jacques]

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/8/14/1347686/40.jpg

My HHO Prodject http://www.hhoforums.com/showthread.php?t=2542


Under the category of better late than never.

It a great install and build. Just wanted to ask, why your reservoir is at what looks like the same level as your cell? IMO the lowest part of the reservoir should be above the highest part of the cell. ( this would insure the water level in the cell would stay ful. provided the hoses are large enough...l)

[protecheqp]

Roland Jacques want my glasses cause it looks the same to me

[Roland Jacques]

Roland Jacques want my glasses cause it looks the same to me

That's my point. They look like they ( the cell and the reservoir) are at the same level. The reservoir should be higher than the cell. But i could use some glasses.:D

[DodgeViper]

That's my point. They look like they ( the cell and the reservoir) are at the same level. The reservoir should be higher than the cell. But i could use some glasses.:D

It's all in the angle of the camera in relation to the subject. The center of the reservoir is even to the top of the plates not the top of the end plates. So you and the other can rest in piece...:)

Furthermore these photos are old and the reservoir was replaced with a 3l container... All is good...

[hhonewbie]

using a Garmin GPS.

GPS is not always accurate as you might think. If there is some way you could regulate the throttle body pressure or idle down this might give you a gain in MPG other than that get yourself an older model diesel(no o2sensor or EFIE) and install your gen in that as they are simple to manipulate to get better MPG. Older EFIEs are easily controlled. The newer EFIEs can be controlled but at a price(electronic hardware). If your giving up on HHO then the only other alternative is electric$$$ which is my first choice but for the meanwhile I want to give HHO a go to get better MPG on ICE. If I can get a minimum of 15% saving its worth it, any less its a waste of time. I believe 15% is achievable. Im weary of statements of 5-10LPM HHO(steam,O2,HHO,etc.?) and 30-60%MPG gains and one can only find out for himself.

[Q-Hack!]

GPS is not always accurate as you might think.


This is one of those misnomers that keeps circulating the internet. One of my jobs in the military was maintenance of the GPS ground control equipment in the 50th Space Wing. If there is one thing I understand well, it's the accuracy of GPS systems. It used to be that civilian GPS systems were not as accurate as the Military versions, however that is not the case any more. More to the point though, todays' receivers are far more accurate than the speedometer in your vehicle. Heck, even the first generation of GPS receivers were more accurate; though they suffered more from a problem of refresh rate than accuracy.

If you have a GPS receiver that can see 12 or more satellites, then you have one that is very accurate for testing purposes. For a good (unclassified) example of consumer grade GPS receivers, check out this site:

http://www.doylesdartden.com/gis/gpstest.htm

And if you want to know just how inaccurate your speedometer is, check out this site:

http://www.web-cars.com/math/speedometer.html

So go ahead and use your GPS receiver to test with, it is the most accurate test tool you will probably have access to.

[DodgeViper]

Q-Hack,

I have to agree. GPS's today are tack dead on and to prove my point to a friend I gave him a 12 channel Garmin GPS I have I used for hunting. I went to an area within the property of 500 acres and buried a beer bottle. Handed my GPS and told the guy to go to these latitude and longitudes settings. Having never used a GPS he found the bottle after driving nearly ½ mile in a golf cart. He did not know what he was looking for until he uncovered the bottle. All anybody needs to do is check their MPH with a GPS and know just how accurate they are. Now for elevations they are not very accurate, close but only close.

[Bassman]

I just watched a show on TV that showed construction of a building in Saudia and they were using a GPS instrument for elevations.

[Q-Hack!]

With one satellite you have accurate time
With two satellites you have accurate X-Y coordinates.
With three satellites you have accurate X-Y-Z coordinates.
The more satellites you add the higher the accuracy of the system.

[Tundra4x4]

Yeah don't give up yet....It takes alot of time to get it right but it is all worth it. I was getting 13 mpg city and 15 mpg highway in my tundra with 33". Now with my cell i get 15 city and 20.5 highway!!! NO B.S!!! It takes time to get it right and tune it just right but it was well worth it. I have too spent a couple hundred dollars on it but in the long run its paying off. The secret is time and tuning just right. Do SMALL adjustments and not big ones!