108 v dc

[mytoyotasucks]

OK made a inverter from 110 V AC to 108 V DC, and used it with 19 plates and had to dilute the electrolyte alot to only draw 15 amps.

going to add a few plates to get up to 45 - 50 plates.

and the same inverter will work in a vehicle. See if i can get it to work right.

[Philldpapill]

What do you mean by an inverter? A device that takes DC and turns it into 120VAC?

[mytoyotasucks]

What do you mean by an inverter? A device that takes DC and turns it into 120VAC?

ya, thats right.

I want a cell that only uses two wires for power, one positive and one neg.

do need a big inverter depending on amp, if u want 50 amps at 110V DC u need a 6000 watt or bigger inverter.

[HHO BLASTER]

But is not the device using up its only power which is wasting energy from the engine

[oicu812]

yes if your using the cars alternator as your power sourse. a system like this would require its own battery pack. at least ten full size car batteries .

[WaltherPP9mm]

Help me understand a liitle better...
1-you built a 120VAC to 108VDC inverter. As it converts AC into DC, an appropriate name for it should be rectifier. Basicaly, you draw your ac power line (assuming you live in US) into a silicon rectifier group (bridge or similar configuration), eventually provided with some large buffering capacitor.

You have done that for experimenting in lab some new design of your HHO cell. You intend to finally make it automotive, thus installing it on some car.

2-on the car you will need a second inverter, able to convert 12 (24 if large truck) VDC into what? 120VAC and from there using your first inverter to finally obtain 108 VDC?

Why all that waste of energy?

Take in mind that any form of energy conversion tecnically available has a sub-unitarian transfer ratio. therefore you loose energy each time you try to convert or even transport it (think even at the power drop-down on the wiring, when dealing with high currents). Producing HHO in automotive conditions means that the power drawn from the vehicle power network will be superior to the power generated by burning the HHO into the motor. It's simple physycs...

"Whatever you will try to do in your life, try to keep it as simple as possible" my father used to tell to me when I was a child... I was not able to respect his advice always, as I recently finished my second divorce and it seems that I am already facing a probably next one :p. But that's OK, chicks and rocket-science dont mix welll... but do provide fun :D

Returning to tecnology, if you need large amount of HHO production, why not using combinations of series/parallel cells, connected straightly to the cars DC power network (12 or 24 Volts)? With a smart design and a good approach you still can keep it simple and hopefully efficient...

Feel free to correct me if or where I am wrong...

PS-Hope my english don't sucks too much...

[HHO BLASTER]

Your english is great, and your right keep it simple

[mytoyotasucks]

ok the reason im doing this is in hope that i will use less amps than i would with seperate cells on 12 VDC.

I figure with 108 VDC and around 34 amps I should get around 10 LPM.

And I tried to make a converter to step up from 12 VDC to 100 VDC and way tooo expensive.


Testing is the only way to see what works or not.

[HHO BLASTER]

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[Philldpapill]

If you are trying to bypass the high currents to your cell, this inverter won't do anything. You are still going to have to pull high currents for your inverter to supply 108VDC at 34A. Even if your inverter were 100% efficient, then your 12V supply would be sourcing a whopping 306A.

I say do what these guys recommended. Use a parallel/Series design for your cell. If you REALLY need that much power(3672W), then cut out the middle man, aka the inverter, and just use 12V.

By the way, if you are using 108VDC, 34A, and you are only getting 10LPM, your cell design is horribly inefficient. That's only 2.72MMW. Ouch.

[mytoyotasucks]

If you are trying to bypass the high currents to your cell, this inverter won't do anything. You are still going to have to pull high currents for your inverter to supply 108VDC at 34A. Even if your inverter were 100% efficient, then your 12V supply would be sourcing a whopping 306A.

I say do what these guys recommended. Use a parallel/Series design for your cell. If you REALLY need that much power(3672W), then cut out the middle man, aka the inverter, and just use 12V.

By the way, if you are using 108VDC, 34A, and you are only getting 10LPM, your cell design is horribly inefficient. That's only 2.72MMW. Ouch.

OK, thats why people test, to see what works and what doesnt.

I did find out that my inverter waorks good but trips the house breaker - drawing too many amps. :D

So my gen will only work for 2 min @ 22 amps until the breaker trips, need a bigger breaker. :cool:

[HHO BLASTER]

yes if your using the cars alternator as your power sourse. a system like this would require its own battery pack. at least ten full size car batteries .

Sooooooooooo, how are you going to charge this added battery pack? If its from your house power why not just buy a electric car?

[mytoyotasucks]

well to keep going on my cell with 43 plates, here are the plate volts, and volts between plates.

One problem is heat - I know its a bath type, but within 15 minutes it got up to 138 deg F, and dont know LPM cause could not seal case yet.
and it was at 104.1 V DC and 14 amps.

going to add more plates and maybe wrap the plates.

3.4 -
6.5 = 2.9
9.3 = 2.8
12.2 = 2.9
14.7 = 2.5
17.4 = 2.7
20.0 = 2.6
22.5 = 2.5
25.0 = 2.5
27.5 = 2.5
30.3 = 2.8
32.3 = 2.0
34.7 = 2.5
37.1 = 2.4
39.4 = 2.3
41.7 = 2.3
44.2 = 2.5
46.4 = 2.2
48.8 = 2.4
51.0 = 2.2
53.3 = 2.3
55.7 = 2.4
58.0
60.1
62.4
64.7
67.0
69.2
71.5
73.8
76.1
78.3
80.6
82.5
85.3
87.7
90.2
92.9
95.6
98.2
101.1
104.1