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[HHO BLASTER]

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[BoyntonStu]

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C&P from another forum.
BoyntonStu

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If you want to increase pollution, this is the way to go.

Technical error: "The air bike emits only oxygen." Bravo Sierra! It
either emits none, or it emits oxygen, nitrogen, etc. which is in
compressed air.

Q&A:

Q: What powers the Air Bike?
A: Compressed air.

Q: Where does one get the compressed air?
A: From a compressor.

Q: Where does the compressor get the power to change atmospheric air to
compressed air?
A: From the wall outlet right there.

Q: Where does the power for the wall outlet come from?
A: The Power Plant which emits radon, sulfuric acid and a plethora of
other good things.

Now, for the efficiency questions:

Q: What is the efficiency from fossil fuel used in the power plant to
electricity?
A: I have heard of numbers as low as 25% with the turbines running no
better than 60%, the generators never exceeding 90%, etc.

Q: What is the efficiency of the compressor?
A: "Compressed air is one of the most expensive uses of energy in a
manufacturing plant. About eight horsepower of electricity is used to
generate one horsepower of compressed air. "

(http://www.mntap.umn.edu/energy/82-CompAir.htm)

That means 12.5%, with numbers like 10% being not difficult to expect.

Q: What is the efficiency of the air motor on the bike?
A: Unless it is a very new design, efficiencies of 50% or less are
considered reasonable.

Overall efficiency is 25% * 10% * 50% or 1.25% overall efficiency. If
you want to pollute more somewhere else, this is the way. Even with a
100% efficient air motor, we are only talking 2.5% overall efficiency.

Just as a hint, we are talking worse efficiency than a gasoline powered
motorcycle!

[Roland Jacques]

Great point, and the same holds true for electric cars. Not to sure about the numbers but the point is good.

[longshorem]

Well here's a question for you then - How efficient would the Aptera car be? (http://www.aptera.com/) I know that a heck of a lot of engineering went into that thing.

From another point of view, how efficient could one possibly make an HHO generator that would be capable of producing the volume needed to run an average vehicle? I only ask because it would seem at the surface that an optimized fully electric car is inherently more efficient than just about any other alternative. I mean, isn't it true that every time you convert one type of energy into another, you can expect to lose a significant proportion of the total energy?

All that to say, I do understand the point of working on solutions to make ICE engines more efficient (or possibly even run on some on-demand HHO device!). Ultimately though, if there were an Aptera type vehicle available to everyone at the same price as a Honda Civic, I wonder if it would already be more efficient than an ICE running completely on HHO.


Oh, I almost forgot to clarify; When speaking of the Aptera, I mean the fully electric model, not the hybrid.

Thanks in advance for your replies and corrections! :cool:

[BoyntonStu]

Well here's a question for you then - How efficient would the Aptera car be? (http://www.aptera.com/) I know that a heck of a lot of engineering went into that thing.

From another point of view, how efficient could one possibly make an HHO generator that would be capable of producing the volume needed to run an average vehicle? I only ask because it would seem at the surface that an optimized fully electric car is inherently more efficient than just about any other alternative. I mean, isn't it true that every time you convert one type of energy into another, you can expect to lose a significant proportion of the total energy?

All that to say, I do understand the point of working on solutions to make ICE engines more efficient (or possibly even run on some on-demand HHO device!). Ultimately though, if there were an Aptera type vehicle available to everyone at the same price as a Honda Civic, I wonder if it would already be more efficient than an ICE running completely on HHO.


Oh, I almost forgot to clarify; When speaking of the Aptera, I mean the fully electric model, not the hybrid.

Thanks in advance for your replies and corrections! :cool:

A light weight aero design is the way to reduce HP requirements.

A small gas or diesel engine would be more efficient and cleaner than electric recharged from a coal burning generator.


However, if you recharged a battery with your wind or falling water generator, it might be OK.

BoyntonStu