Fuel Heater questions

[bigjim56]

I'm ready to install the water4gas design fuel heater but have run into a dilemma. The water4gas instructions say to lay it against the radiator hose for the heat transfer surface. In my car (2001 Acura Integra) there's a smaller (1-1.5") hose that runs from the engine block to the firewall that gets hotter much faster and is always hotter than the fatter radiator hose. This is the heater core supply. I want to use this smaller hose instead of the radiator hose, but am reluctant to because I don't want excessive pressure because of the higher temps to cause either a rupture or vapor lock. Overpressurization could cause even maybe a backfire, which with a Hydrogen cell could be disastorous. Anyone else have the heater idea in place and working? I know the mpg increase will be minimal, but the wasted heat being used for fuel heating makes a lot of sense to me. I've seen and read numerous threads dealing with fuel vaporization and I'm sure this would be benneficial for my car, especially in the winter months.

Any fuel specialists out there? I know the gas would not ignite w/o a spark, but the very hot gas would undoubtably bring excess pressure, are the clamps/washers/fittings being used up to the task?

Ideas, suggestions welcome...

bigjim56

[H2OPWR]

I'm ready to install the water4gas design fuel heater but have run into a dilemma. The water4gas instructions say to lay it against the radiator hose for the heat transfer surface. In my car (2001 Acura Integra) there's a smaller (1-1.5") hose that runs from the engine block to the firewall that gets hotter much faster and is always hotter than the fatter radiator hose. This is the heater core supply. I want to use this smaller hose instead of the radiator hose, but am reluctant to because I don't want excessive pressure because of the higher temps to cause either a rupture or vapor lock. Overpressurization could cause even maybe a backfire, which with a Hydrogen cell could be disastorous. Anyone else have the heater idea in place and working? I know the mpg increase will be minimal, but the wasted heat being used for fuel heating makes a lot of sense to me. I've seen and read numerous threads dealing with fuel vaporization and I'm sure this would be benneficial for my car, especially in the winter months.

Any fuel specialists out there? I know the gas would not ignite w/o a spark, but the very hot gas would undoubtably bring excess pressure, are the clamps/washers/fittings being used up to the task?

Ideas, suggestions welcome...

bigjim56

I am not sure what affect heating the gas would have but you would be at a pervect time to test it as you do not have HHO installed yet. I do know that the hot fuel will not affect fuel pressures at all in today's fuel injected cars. Your fuel pressure is regulated by the fuel pump and check valves.

[bigjim56]

H2OPWR,

Warming the fuel will help in the burn mode, somewhat. I don't know how much, but its well known that going from summer to winter temps. loses a few mpg's. I'm hoping to retrieve a little of that back. The colder the fuel, the more fuel it takes for a burn. This is a water4gas idea, it came from their literature. You are used to cold weather mpg's, so talking warm/cold weather mpg's might be foriegn to you. How warm does it get in Alaska? We go to extremes here 0-100 during a normal calender year.

Heat is good for most all chemicals, heat 'em up and they want to react.
All of our chemical processes at work perform better w/the warmer temps.
The only exception is chlorine loss due to extreme sunlight.

For sure heat is an enemy w/the hydrogen cell,...but it is energy and using it in anyway possible to increase efficiency is what water4gas reccomends. They've got some really good ideas in their E-manuals. I recently did the PCV enhancer for my engine, I've already got 2 teaspoons of black gunk from the engine and I'm running pure synthetic. They said to expect that for a few weeks, then it should clear up. Another idea of theirs is to run a fuel mixture...there's about 5 chemical ingrediants (Xylene/pure acetone/ +2 or 3 other chemicals that I can't think of off hand)

Right now I'm just using Xylene (8oz./10gallons gas). I've not reached the nutty professor level yet (all 5) They claim just using Xylene alone will increase both mpg's and power, allowing you to further trim the map sensor adjustment. They've got tons of good ideas, I'm just working my way down the list and implementing them one at a time. Their cells do produce HHO, I know that for sure...had one blow up in front of me. Just getting them to produce correctly w/o leaks is a major task. The dry cells runs circles around this concept due to the self sealing of its construction. The fittings to and from are all solidly mounted, while the water4gas uses a semiflexible lid.

Thanks,

bigjim56

[H2OPWR]

H2OPWR,

Warming the fuel will help in the burn mode, somewhat. I don't know how much, but its well known that going from summer to winter temps. loses a few mpg's. I'm hoping to retrieve a little of that back. The colder the fuel, the more fuel it takes for a burn. This is a water4gas idea, it came from their literature. You are used to cold weather mpg's, so talking warm/cold weather mpg's might be foriegn to you. How warm does it get in Alaska? We go to extremes here 0-100 during a normal calender year.

Heat is good for most all chemicals, heat 'em up and they want to react.
All of our chemical processes at work perform better w/the warmer temps.
The only exception is chlorine loss due to extreme sunlight.

For sure heat is an enemy w/the hydrogen cell,...but it is energy and using it in anyway possible to increase efficiency is what water4gas reccomends. They've got some really good ideas in their E-manuals. I recently did the PCV enhancer for my engine, I've already got 2 teaspoons of black gunk from the engine and I'm running pure synthetic. They said to expect that for a few weeks, then it should clear up. Another idea of theirs is to run a fuel mixture...there's about 5 chemical ingrediants (Xylene/pure acetone/ +2 or 3 other chemicals that I can't think of off hand)

Right now I'm just using Xylene (8oz./10gallons gas). I've not reached the nutty professor level yet (all 5) They claim just using Xylene alone will increase both mpg's and power, allowing you to further trim the map sensor adjustment. They've got tons of good ideas, I'm just working my way down the list and implementing them one at a time. Their cells do produce HHO, I know that for sure...had one blow up in front of me. Just getting them to produce correctly w/o leaks is a major task. The dry cells runs circles around this concept due to the self sealing of its construction. The fittings to and from are all solidly mounted, while the water4gas uses a semiflexible lid.

Thanks,

bigjim56

Here in Anchorage a warm day is 70 degrees a record day is 80 degrees. In the winter 20 below zero is cold 30 below zero is close to a record. Yes our winter MPG is usually 10 percent lower than summer but do not forget that much of the difference is controlled by the ECM. The ECM injects more fuel when the air temp is lower and the air is denser trying to maintain the 14.7 to 1 air/fuel mixture. The ECM does not take in to count actual fuel temp's. Your gain would be that warmer fuel takes up more space than cold fuel. In the same amount of time with the fuel injectors open less gasoline could enter the combustion chamber.

[bigjim56]

H2OPWR,

True about the expansion theory. Heat causes expansion, cold causes contraction of most everything. A temp. of 70-80 should bring about a change worthy of noticing in mpg's. I know around here, when the temps drop to 0-10, cars doors are hard to open, engines are harder to start, etc.
It's very noticeable.

bigjim56