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fisher
10-02-2008, 01:20 PM
I got interested in HHO generation a couple of months ago after meeting a guy that is using HHO in his vehicle. I have done a lot of research and some testing in the garage. My Honda Accord doesn't have much room to add a system so I have devised a couple of generators that will fit into inch and a quarter pipe (which will fit in front of my radiator. Both generate pretty well. ( I will have LMP after a bit more testing, to decide which of the two designs I am going to use.) But both create a lot heat.

My thoughts were to series my generators into two 1 1/4 pipes and use Tee's to tie those pipes together so that both share the same electrolite. Between the two pipes, I am thinking of adding a third pipe made of copper. So I will have two horizontal pipes, one at top, one at bottom, with three vertical pipes, the two outside ones being PVC and containing generators, and a copper pipe in the middle. My thinking is that the bubbles rising (and heat rising) in the two generators will create a flow of water that cycles up through the generator, over to the copper pipe and down through it, then back over to the generator to go around again. My hopes are that the air flow across the copper will sink heat from the generator. I may even solder some heat sinking vents onto the copper pipe to better remove heat if I need to.

I have lurked at this site for a couple of weeks now and came to respect your knowledge and opinions, so hoping that I explained this well enough for you to get a mental picture... Do you think it will work, do you think it will cool my generator somewhat ( I want the generator to run warm, but it was getting too hot.) And finally, do you think the KOH will eat up the copper?
TBill
10-02-2008, 01:39 PM
And finally, do you think the KOH will eat up the copper?

.......Yes
fisher
10-02-2008, 06:55 PM
.......Yes

Well, fooey!!!

back to the drawing board.
Painless
10-02-2008, 06:58 PM
Why not use plastic or CPVC pipe instead?
fisher
10-02-2008, 07:10 PM
Because I want something that will transfer the heat out of my generator into the airstream coming into the front of the car. Copper transfers heat really well. PVC, not so much.
magcshroom
10-02-2008, 07:15 PM
I believe high grade aluminum is resistant to KOH.
fisher
10-02-2008, 07:32 PM
as I understand it, aluminum in KOH is like sugar candy in a kids mouth. Melts fast. I think Im on to something with the cooling tube idea. May try to find a place where I can get one made of SS. I just was trying to use what I had on hand in the garage. I have one stick of 3/4 inch copper about 4 feet long (in other words, about $89 worth ;-P copper has gotten quite high) and wanted to use it. Just something with a high rate of heat exchange to blow air across and remove the heat with the car's existing fan.
frosty121
10-02-2008, 10:54 PM
I am working on a recirculating pump to feed the mixture through a custom made SS cooler similar to a trany cooler. I am mounting mine in my trucks tool box for safety and ease of access for maintanance.

This is not as cheap as your idea in $$, but if you get a long term system working, like HHO, it would pay for itself, (I think - but then again I am still ing the development stage and have not tested the plan yet)
H2OPWR
10-03-2008, 01:02 AM
Electrolisis is the enemy of copper. Not KOH. As long as you keep the copper away from the electricity I am sure it will work after all KOH is very similar to Sodium Hydroxide and we have been using it as drain cleaner for years and many of our pipes in our houses are copper or black iron that all are destroyed in HHO generators.
TBill
10-03-2008, 12:48 PM
Electrolisis is the enemy of copper. Not KOH. As long as you keep the copper away from the electricity I am sure it will work after all KOH is very similar to Sodium Hydroxide and we have been using it as drain cleaner for years and many of our pipes in our houses are copper or black iron that all are destroyed in HHO generators.

I thought the copper was on the feed side (going to faucets)? Should run into drain cleaner?
fisher
10-06-2008, 09:57 AM
Copper is on the feed side in house plumbing, not USUALLY in the drains. Although I have seen it there.

With my design idea, the copper is no where near the generators. As a test, I have a piece of copper at home, sitting in a jar of very strongly mixed KOH and water. Looks like no damage so far, has been sitting there 3 days. I will give it a week and carefully inspect the copper. Will post back results.