Ammonia electrolyte?

[precaster1@msn.com]

Any opinions on using ammonia for an electrolyte? I dont think it freezes very easy, and it is conductive. It might stay clean but what do y'aal think?

[precaster1@msn.com]

Stop flooding me with opinions please. The more i read about it the more i like the idea, will begin testing. You could even use piss if its strong enough, that should really please you treehuggers out there, now that is true recycling no?

[Smith03Jetta]

You breathe it, you die, it's that simple. (Depending on the concentration)

[BoyntonStu]

Any opinions on using ammonia for an electrolyte? I dont think it freezes very easy, and it is conductive. It might stay clean but what do y'aal think?


Hundreds, if not thousands of experimenters over several years effort, have determined that NaOH and KOH are the best electrolytes.

Why not follow the experts?

NASA/Russians use 28% KOH in a life or death application in space to generate breathing oxygen.

Is it your goal to research electrolytes?

BoyntonStu

[precaster1@msn.com]

Hundreds, if not thousands of experimenters over several years effort, have determined that NaOH and KOH are the best electrolytes.

Why not follow the experts?

NASA/Russians use 28% KOH in a life or death application in space to generate breathing oxygen.

Is it your goal to research electrolytes?

BoyntonStu

I am using lye. That doesn't mean there isn't anything better waiting out there. Isn't the point of this forum to throw ideas out there to people who may know all about it instead of each one having to do it all. Pardon me for asking, sheesh. Ammonia has been used as fuel before, cars and rockets and is still being considered, thats what got my attention.

[hoboincidaho]

We're skeptical it's true. We do in fact want to help you. Above it was stated you should use KOH (Potassium Hydroxide or "caustic potash") or NaOH (Sodium Hydroxide).
The previous posts are all correct. They are not trying to derail you in any way.

REAL TREEHUGGERS USE PISS!
LOL.

That was such an interesting thing to read about the astronauts. Life or death, they need oxygen.
I don't know about you, but if I'm in that situation, I would hope the R&D dept. for NASA did their job right and got the best electrolytes! I believe they did.

[precaster1@msn.com]

Ammonia works , its just too foamy. I use lye but do you think nasa tried everything under the sun? I don't follow the astronaut comments, where did you read that?

[FuzzyTomCat]

Ammonia works , its just too foamy. I use lye but do you think nasa tried everything under the sun? I don't follow the astronaut comments, where did you read that?

Hi precaster1,

Here is some information on "NASA" the use of Potassium Hydroxide (KOH) in the space shuttle fuel cells, this has been general knowledge for about 20 years ??

http://inventors.about.com/od/fstartinventions/a/fuel_cell_plant.htm

A fuel cell is the reverse of a HHO generator if your not aware of this.

Regards,
Fuzzy

[Smith03Jetta]

I can imagine that one reason why NASA would not use Ammonia is that it would kill the astronauts instantly if they had an Ammonia leak in their closed crew compartments.

My father is permanently disabled right now because of toxic chemical exposure at a fertilizer plant in Sterlington Louisiana.

He was constantly exposed to dangerous levels of Ammonia, Sulfuric Acid, Hydrochloric Acid, Formaldehyde and other chemicals when he was employed there as a millwright.

[FuzzyTomCat]

I can imagine that one reason why NASA would not use Ammonia is that it would kill the astronauts instantly if they had an Ammonia leak in their closed crew compartments.



Hi Smith03Jetta,

NASA does use Ammonia for the heating and cooling only because of the 240 degrees temperature swing from daylight to night 15 time a day. All the equipment is exterior of the crew compartment this includes the International Space Station.

Regards,
Fuzzy

[HIONS]

I just recently stumbled upon ammonia when I was looking for something to combine out oxygen in the bubbler. I agree that using pure (anhydrous) ammonia is unworkable, especially since it will return to gas when warmed and not under pressure. However it seems that making--or better, buying the ready made solution of it in water is the compromise you guys might like. Instead of KOH+H20, why not KOH+H20+NH3? You end up with less O2 and more H with some N2. I'll take the N over the O until I get this sensor crap mastered. I am going to try it this week. Check these out:
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/08/ohio-university.html

http://webche.ent.ohiou.edu/eerl/documents/vitse-cooper-botte%20JPS-2005-Ammonia.pdf

[Roland Jacques]

It kind of goes hand in hand with the Urea electrolysis

"Ammonia Electrolysis Cell – Research at Ohio University has shown that hydrogen is evolved by electrolysis of an aqueous ammonia solution at a small fraction of the electric energy required from water electrolysis. In fact, the energy contained in the hydrogen is greater than the electric energy required to produce it. The hydrogen is also free of contaminants, and suitable for use in PEM fuel cells or internal combustion engines. This approach, which is now being commercialized, opens up numerous opportunities for harvesting energy from animal waste and wastewaster. (Contact: Gerri Botte, Ohio University, 740-593-9670, botte@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu or Ben Schafer, American Hydrogen Corporation, 503-645-2523, ben.schafer@hydrafuelcell.com)"

From http://www.ammoniafuelnetwork.org/projects.html

[rboos]

If we are extracting 2 atoms of Hydrogen and 1 atom O for fuer, why not use something that would furnish 3xH, 1N, and some Os....

What about mixing the ammonia with water, resulting in ammonium, NH4... non valatile and electrically conductive...

More H's, some N's, some O's, conductivity, act as electrolyzer, cheap, I will give it a try this week. We can also mix ammonia with sea salt. hmmm must be tasty. :o

2NH3 → N2 + 3H2
NNO + 3HHO triple hydrogen production if it doesn't recombine to foamy H2O2 ?

[hhonewbie]

I will give it a try this week. We can also mix ammonia with sea salt.
Try mixing a little ammonia & KOH and tell me how it goes