It's Alive! Amoeba cell!

[BoyntonStu]

This cell will fit in your pocket.

It is so small, I call it the Amoeba Cell.

My goal was to make the smallest cell capable of 1 LPM.

There are 7 Lowes plates creating 6 cells.

I just turned it on a few minutes ago.

Very first run 4.86 MMW.

12.8 V 4 Amps 250 ml 60 seconds

More to come.

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BoyntonStu

[PAPAFIXIT]

That is sooooooo cool Stu, real professional looking too. Be sure to let us in on the particulars.
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[redneckgearhead34]

dang that is super small. Awesome job keep us posted on what is next

[wljohns]

OK OK how did you put it together? And how did you mount the entrance and exit holes.
Come on bro details,details, I need some details. LOL

[Painless]

Nice job, Stu and great MMW!

[countryboy18]

thats .25lpm i dont see how this is ground breaking.

[Q-Hack!]

thats .25lpm i dont see how this is ground breaking.

You have to look at the bigger picture... its only 4 amps. that is an incredibly efficient cell. All he has to do is bump up his electrolyte (which will raise current) but also increase production. If he increases electrolyte to get 16 amps he is producing ~1 LPM. All on a cell that small.

[Bossman]

Great job !!!!

[BoyntonStu]

I have been turning the Amoeba Cell on and off and I observed the following:

Some times it starts off pushing Hydroxy/electrolyte out the top tube.

On several occasions, just as Painless reported, some gas would begin to flow out of the bottom tube.

However, within 5 or 10 seconds, the cell adjusted itself and everything went right. No problem at all! Nada.


Note: When I blew through the cell, it seemed that there was no resistance. It felt like I was blowing through a straight tube. This may be the reason for the self-correcting startup.

Also, when beginning with a dry (empty) cell, first put the NaOH into the reservoir and then add water. This will ensure that the cell will get electrolyte instead of just water.

I hope that this helps.

BoyntonStu

[JojoJaro]

How did you seal the edges? What kind of Epoxy brand?

[redneckgearhead34]

Ok I was wondering how you have 6 cells with 7 plates?

[Smith03Jetta]

Ok, now I'm impressed by Stu. He built something that works really nice and has some results. I can't wait to see what happens next. I'm concerned about heat on these dry cells but maybe someone building dry cells can give us some heat numbers.

[Q-Hack!]

Ok I was wondering how you have 6 cells with 7 plates?

A cell is defined as any space between plates that has a difference of potential. So a +- is one cell, a +N- is 2 cells, or in this case +NNNNN- is 6 cells.

Note that the Smack's design uses two neutral plates that are tied together electrically. This would look like +HHH-, where each H is a pair of neutral plates and only 4 cells with 8 plates. Same thing with plumabob's design, only his is more of a U shaped Neutral +UUUU-. 5 cells with 10 plates.

[BoyntonStu]

5.49 MMW! Amoeba Cell is breaking in.


Volts Amps ML Seconds
12.7 5 250 43

Watts MMW ML/MIN
63.5 5.493499359 348.8372093


BoyntonStu

[Stevo]

5.49 MMW! Amoeba Cell is breaking in.


Volts Amps ML Seconds
12.7 5 250 43

Watts MMW ML/MIN
63.5 5.493499359 348.8372093


BoyntonStu

Very nice! Great job BoytonStu! Can't wait to see what a PWM and stronger electrolyte will do!

[Smith03Jetta]

If you get your amp draw up to 20 amps I can see a 1 liter/minute system. I hope it doesn't overheat.

[resago]

doesn't the dry cell run cooler due to lack of shorting across plate edges?

[hoboincidaho]

I interested in the small form factor. Holy crap look at it!
Anybody do the math for the heat? Im interested in how long it can run.

[BoyntonStu]

I interested in the small form factor. Holy crap look at it!
Anybody do the math for the heat? Im interested in how long it can run.


Thanks,

The Amoeba Cell ran yesterday for 6 straight hours at about 85* Ambient.

The cell temperature rose to 140*F on about 1/2 full reservoir.

BoyntonStu

[hoboincidaho]

Yes I believe it with that reservoir. Larger water flow to help cool the sucker down. It all makes sense. Excellent build my friend!

[BoyntonStu]

Yes I believe it with that reservoir. Larger water flow to help cool the sucker down. It all makes sense. Excellent build my friend!


Thanks, and I agree about the larger reservoir.

But, I believe that I have an even better idea for cooling.

When I try it out, I will report back.

Cooling of generators has never been done this way AFAIK.

BoyntonStu

[Roland Jacques]

Nice numbers congrates.

Testing my dry cell today and because my resivior/bubbler combo was a to big, a full 3 gallon bucket) the temp never got over 105 degree.

I wish my MMW was as good as yours.

[BoyntonStu]

Nice numbers congrates.

Testing my dry cell today and because my resivior/bubbler combo was a to big, a full 3 gallon bucket) the temp never got over 105 degree.

I wish my MMW was as good as yours.

Thanks,

Make sure that your 6 cells are powered by a running car at almost 14 Volts.

The cells are starved at ~ 2 Volts.

VERY IMPORTANT!!!


Try it and report back.


I hope that this helps.

BoyntonStu

[Roland Jacques]

I was bench testing with a battery charger 0.125 spacing, +nnn-nnn+, 15 .4 volts was 4.3mmw now its 3.7 mmw. id like to see 5 MMW. I'll try smaller gaskets 0.040 and maybe add another n plate and another electrode +nnnn-nnnn+nnnn-. My truck runs more like 13.5 volts.

[BoyntonStu]

I was bench testing with a battery charger 0.125 spacing, +nnn-nnn+, 15 .4 volts was 4.3mmw now its 3.7 mmw. id like to see 5 MMW. I'll try smaller gaskets 0.040 and maybe add another n plate and another electrode +nnnn-nnnn+nnnn-. My truck runs more like 13.5 volts.

To raise MMW you need ~2.33 V per cell.

14/x = 2.33 ; x = 6

You need 7 plates for 6 cells.

Fewer plates will lower MMW at 14 Volts.

BoyntonStu

[Roland Jacques]

That was the way i understood it also. But i recently have seen (online) 2 etrolyzers getting over 6 MMW. 6.6 MMW and the other 8.3 MMW (dry cells) with only looked like 3 or 4 N plates (turns out to be 4N plates). That why i trying it this way.
Sealed Series Cell 3.1 6.6 MMW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2Bd7Psifw
8.3 mmw
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=Iroj_oG4euI
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HHO-HYDROGEN-GENERATOR-SEALED-HIGH-EFFICIENCY-VIDEO_W0QQitemZ140268400206QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m140268400206&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C2 40%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=TKQ8UNEgWwY&feature=related

[redneckgearhead34]

Stu,

Not trying to take over your thread but I had this idea pop into my head. Has anyone thought about taking the 14v produced by a vehicle cutting it down to 2v then running that to a -+-+-+ cell.

I am sure it has allready been thought of just want to know a little bit about it. Also how exactly would you cut 14v down to 2v efficiently.

[BoyntonStu]

That was the way i understood it also. But i recently have seen (online) 2 etrolyzers getting over 6 MMW. 6.6 MMW and the other 8.3 MMW (dry cells) with only looked like 3 or 4 N plates (turns out to be 4N plates). That why i trying it this way.
Sealed Series Cell 3.1 6.6 MMW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2Bd7Psifw
8.3 mmw
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=Iroj_oG4euI
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HHO-HYDROGEN-GENERATOR-SEALED-HIGH-EFFICIENCY-VIDEO_W0QQitemZ140268400206QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m140268400206&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C2 40%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=TKQ8UNEgWwY&feature=related


Look what $900 will buy you. 3 MMW!!!

http://www.takeaction.com.au/shopexd.asp?id=83

Take MMW readings on Youtube (including mine) with a grain of salt.

Some MMW results may be correct.

I certainly attempt accuracy but I could be mistaken.

BoyntonStu

[Riddler250]

You could use resistors to cut down the voltage but you will have some heat

[BoyntonStu]

You could use resistors to cut down the voltage but you will have some heat

If you cut voltage with resistors you are wasting energy.

You may just as well dump gas onto the highway.

A better way to achieve 2 Vdc is to use an ac inverter and a step down transformer followed by a bridge rectifier to produce any low voltage dc.

The nice thing about doing it this way is that you can control the Amps with a light dimmer.

BoyntonStu

[Riddler250]

If you cut voltage with resistors you are wasting energy.

You may just as well dump gas onto the highway.

A better way to achieve 2 Vdc is to use an ac inverter and a step down transformer followed by a bridge rectifier to produce any low voltage dc.

The nice thing about doing it this way is that you can control the Amps with a light dimmer.

BoyntonStu

either way you will have wasted heat. the inverter will have less waste heat, and would be more efficient. If you cut it down in the electrolyte bath you can use the heat to stimulate the water molecules into moving more, possibly making the cell more efficient?

[Riddler250]

To raise MMW you need ~2.33 V per cell.

14/x = 2.33 ; x = 6

You need 7 plates for 6 cells.

Fewer plates will lower MMW at 14 Volts.

BoyntonStu

is the 2.33v per cell related to the size of the plates in the cell, or do you think that 2.33v is optimum for plates larger than those used in the amoeba cell?
Thank you,
David