A Good Rubber Wrap For Cells !!!

[homersimpson30]

Home Depot Has A Product Found In The Electrical Section Called Rubber Splice Tape. Wraps Your Cell Tight And Bonds To Itself With No Adhesive. I Tried It On My Cell And It Passed With 120 Deg. Temp. My Cell Seems To Run More Stable Temp. And Amps.

[overtaker]

Thanks for the heads-up. Good tip.

[djerickd]

awesome!!! I similar but, in clear silicone. thats an awesome idea with the thermometer

[mario brito]

Thanks for the tip ! Nice to see some people sharing good info.

+ 1

Thanks

[otrcomm]

Thumbs up man, I've been looking for something like that!

[Painless]

Lowes has the Rubber Splicing Tape too, I tested some in boiling water up to 200+ F, held up very well.

[Jason]

Good. I saw people also using bike or motorcycle tubes. I think they work quite well and are free if you can find one...

[homersimpson30]

Good. I saw people also using bike or motorcycle tubes. I think they work quite well and are free if you can find one... The tape is only $3.00, watch out you might have to get a loan. Also its water tight and seals itself.

[Stevo]

Dang good find man! Off to pick some up today. :D

[Farmercal]

Excellent idea! You can't buy better advice than you get for free right here on this forum. Keep the ideas flowing and everybody wins. Ditto on the thermometer, think I'll incorporate that into my cell.

[BoyntonStu]

Seriously, how about using a latex rubber for a good rubber wrap?


BoyntonStu

[midnight1957]

I have a question about wrapping plates to prevent leakage at the ends of the plates.
Are you taking away some plate surface by wrapping the tape completely around both of the outside plates?
Could you dip the ends of all of the plates in the liquid that you use to cover and protect tools, it the rubber like liquid, just asking?

Thanks and have a Blessed day,
Wade

[Q-Hack!]

I have a question about wrapping plates to prevent leakage at the ends of the plates.
Are you taking away some plate surface by wrapping the tape completely around both of the outside plates?
Could you dip the ends of all of the plates in the liquid that you use to cover and protect tools, it the rubber like liquid, just asking?

Thanks and have a Blessed day,
Wade

Yep, Tried that... Its called Plasti Dip, and it comes right off once you apply electricity to the cell. So far the best gooey substance is the Marine adhesive made by either 3M or Goop. However, that self vulcanizing tape looks promising.

[Painless]

Lowes has the Rubber Splicing Tape too, I tested some in boiling water up to 200+ F, held up very well.

Ok, don't bother with the Lowes rubber splicing tape!

Despite my successful 200+F boiling water test, I used it in my cell and most of it had come off by today. Maybe something in the KOH that affects it?

[homersimpson30]

Ok, don't bother with the Lowes rubber splicing tape!

Despite my successful 200+F boiling water test, I used it in my cell and most of it had come off by today. Maybe something in the KOH that affects it? USE ZIP TIES SO IT CANT UNRAVEL BUT MINE IS HOLDING FINE. I HAVE A CONTIOUS WRAP AROUND MY CELL. :D

[djerickd]

thats what I was gonna say was to zip tie it sorta like when you do an exhaust heat wrap.

[Painless]

I use zip ties by the dozen in my cell! LOVE them!!!!!! :D

[overtaker]

Boyntonstu Sorry mine are to large to work.

[Stevo]

I am planning on doing the same thing with PTFE film. Zip ties are usually nylon.

[c02cutter]

I used splicing tape in my stuff, you need more than 1 layer, and if you under wrap the end, it will stay. But I agree that 2 or 3 tie wraps would not be a bad idea. Here is the Playing with Smack cell from this video using .06" plates...
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And pics of it with the wrap after about 50 hours use. No tie wraps, just an under wrapped end.
http://c02cutter.com/web/sidec.jpg
http://c02cutter.com/web/sideb.jpg
http://c02cutter.com/web/sidea.jpg
http://c02cutter.com/web/sided.jpg

[midnight1957]

Just another question. When wrapping the cell do you only wrap the 2 ends or should you wrap the bottom also?

Thanks and have a Blessed day,
Wade

[Painless]

In terms of stopping the current leakage, wrapping all six sides would be best, but you need to make sure that:

1) Your HHO can escape (can't wrap the top)

2) Your electrodes can always get to the electrolyte (might not be able to wrap the bottom, maybe leave a small hole?)

Hope this helps!

Russ.

[tbhavsar]

You may also try this Heat-Shrink Tubing from http://www.mcmaster.com/#

Part number:7132K834

[Stevo]

You may also try this Heat-Shrink Tubing from http://www.mcmaster.com/#

Part number:7132K834

That's a good find, but it seems like upon shrink wrapping if your metal does not have enough tensile strength this could bend the cells inward.

From my research, it seems the best materials to use are:

Cell Wrap
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PTFE

PTFE - highly chemical resistant, electrical grade is highly electrically resistant and can withstand up to 500 deg F

http://www.zeusinc.com/chem_ptfe.asp

Zip Ties
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETFE

ETFE (Tefzel) - chemically resistant to NaOH @50% solution (230 deg F) and KOH @ 50% solution (210 deg F)

http://www2.dupont.com/Teflon_Industrial/en_US/assets/downloads/h96532.pdf

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So this would work out great for the long term when considering chemical, electrical and heat resistance/tolerance. Both are found here: http://www.mcmaster.com. ETFE Zip ties would be used to keep the PTFE wrapped around the cell good and tight, while being capable of resisting heat and corrosion.

[djerickd]

Welp.. my clear silicone self sealing tape ripped down the side of my cell. I'll have to sand the edges and try again.

[shortstack]

Home Depot Has A Product Found In The Electrical Section Called Rubber Splice Tape. Wraps Your Cell Tight And Bonds To Itself With No Adhesive. I Tried It On My Cell And It Passed With 120 Deg. Temp. My Cell Seems To Run More Stable Temp. And Amps.

wrap the bolt going to + and - to help stray heat

[Stevo]

Welp.. my clear silicone self sealing tape ripped down the side of my cell. I'll have to sand the edges and try again.

Yeh, I tried that stuff. Tommy Tape or Wrap-Fix stuff and it just came off after exposure to NaOH. Kinda sucks. I thought I had found the answer.

[Carolinablue]

What do ya think of just using an old tire inter tube, wrap it around and hold it with wire ties?

[Painless]

You guys should try the shower pan liner you can get by the foot from lowes in the plumbing section, its about $6.

Works great as a gasket on dry cells and is made if neoprene (spelling?) so will withstand heat and KOH.

[wljohns]

Just use an appropriate sized soda bottle cut to size and heated with heat gun. Worked great for my smack. And is holding up nicely in 1gal distilled water with 2tsp Naoh.

[Stevo]

You guys should try the shower pan liner you can get by the foot from lowes in the plumbing section, its about $6.

Works great as a gasket on dry cells and is made if neoprene (spelling?) so will withstand heat and KOH.

Hmm. This is what I am finding at Lowe's:

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=20088-138-41630&detail=&lpage=none

Says it is PVC. Are you referencing a different material maybe?

[Stevo]

Just use an appropriate sized soda bottle cut to size and heated with heat gun. Worked great for my smack. And is holding up nicely in 1gal distilled water with 2tsp Naoh.

Apparently most soda bottles are made from PET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethylene_terephthalate), which seems to have a good heat tolerance. The only concern I have is the fact that PET is not so resistant to alkalis like NaOH. Of course many of the experiments that I can find use a much higher concentration of NaOH, so it might be ok. I am going to test this out on my "beater" cell.

[BoyntonStu]

Hmm. This is what I am finding at Lowe's:

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=20088-138-41630&detail=&lpage=none

Says it is PVC. Are you referencing a different material maybe?

This is what we were talking about.

[Painless]

Hmm. This is what I am finding at Lowe's:

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=20088-138-41630&detail=&lpage=none

Says it is PVC. Are you referencing a different material maybe?

Sorry, I must be loosing my marbles. It is PVC.

[tbhavsar]

I wrapped my plates edges with rubber stripe (kind of tape) that I bought from Home Depot; the current is stable but NOW Bubble are coming very slow (kind of slowed down gas production). Please throw some lights here what is going on…

[H2OPWR]

Nice! I have spent alot of money on Marine Goop.

[Stevo]

Nice! I have spent alot of money on Marine Goop.

Well, it's not in vein. Trust me. Goop is good stuff to use and Marine is the best of the Goops.

[DOUBLEL]

has anyone tried the plumbing tape from Lowes?
item#26668 it sticks to wet or dirty surface adheres to itself and withstands up to 200 gegrees.

[mytoyotasucks]

has anyone tried the plumbing tape from Lowes?
item#26668 it sticks to wet or dirty surface adheres to itself and withstands up to 200 gegrees.

iv'e bought it but havnt tried it.

[Painless]

iv'e bought it but havnt tried it.

I tried it in some of my wet cells, it's only any good if you stick it to itself, otherwise it comes off when in contact with electrolyte.

[Bossman]

Tried it all. A bycle intertube wraped around the cell & held in place with zip ties works great.

[mytoyotasucks]

Tried it all. A bycle intertube wraped around the cell & held in place with zip ties works great.

good to know, that way i dont have to buy liquid electrical tape.

[getexs]

I found this by acccident,poored overheated electlyt from one of my first spiral cells in a 2 ltr coke bottle. I noticed that the bottle shrunk from the heat,So I cut the top and bottom off a 2 ltr bottle,put my plate stack in a pan on the stove and covered with water,brought to a rapid boil,lift out plate stack(use mits, steem is very hot) place inside bottle ,put both back in water until bottle shrinks to plate stack.I would post a pic but don't know how.

[dtots89]

I hate to bring up something so trivial, but what is the advantage to wrapping your cell? And why not just use good ol electrical tape? The bicycle inner tube seems like a good idea.

[M34me]

I've used this stuff a number of times over the years on various projects/applications. Good stuff.

At one point I had some "repair" tape that wasn't specified electrical. It was similar. But I used it to repair a hole in a pool hose that I brushed up against with the lawn mower muffler. It held for the next two years and I never set the pool up again after that.

But I can't find that stuff anymore.

[reggaerican]

that is a great tip for wet cells. mike did a vid on youtube where he wrapped his with a rubber tire work great in comparison to a normal wet cell, but my guess it that tape would be way better than the tire..

[HHO Africa]

I am still fairly new here but will wrapping the cell not prevent it from breathing and hence increase the temp, making it less effective? I have seen cells completely sealed in a silicon mold, but I :)don't trust that situation.