c02cutter
08-20-2008, 08:12 PM
I brought this up in another post, and have had some time to think on it.
Containers, and and automotive application. In my other post I had said we need a container that is sealed for pressure, and can handle vacuum pressure also. I used the aspect of the lasers I work with having to work on both conditions. A laser is pulled down to below zero atmosphere pressure, then pressurized to a specific atmosphere before being energized.
Us with containers, me, on the bench, are putting the container under pressure to run a bubbler. And most containers we are dealing with can handle that to a small extent. Vacuum pressure has to be a way better seal. The water tight cases that some are using are dealing with pressure from the outside not causing a leak to a specific depth. Not vacuum pressure caused from the inside. This is different as you can put pressure on a lid of a jar to make it seal better than it would with just it's natural seal.
Testing for this can be expensive, but I want to put out a challenge for finding a ready made container that is truly designed to handle these forces to a tested extent. Also the container needs to be truly modifiable by the “average Joe”, without major equipment involved. Just to make it workable by the people that want to experiment in HHO.
I have seen so many containers being used, and have seen from another forum where they say use a vent to stop the vacuum from pulling the the liquid to the motor. I know this can have disastrous results as supplying the vacuum a release will cause more pull in the direction of the vacuum. A check valve does not stop a leaky container from pulling towards the vacuum as we are supplying gas from a possible leak to the vacuum pull.
Another note here is that a vacuum leak can cause the motor to just plain run crappy. Being this is that where people do not see mpg gains even after doing all sorts of mods can possibly be caused by the computer going into default value from a vacuum leak in the system. This being caused by the cell not being truly sealed from the vacuum pressure involved.
Being “T'ed” off of a vital vacuum point can cause a big issue in how the vehicle will respond if there is a leak in the cell container. Changing the tuning curve of how the motor management will respond to the input data.
I need a good mechanic on this... but I think I may be on to a point.
Containers, and and automotive application. In my other post I had said we need a container that is sealed for pressure, and can handle vacuum pressure also. I used the aspect of the lasers I work with having to work on both conditions. A laser is pulled down to below zero atmosphere pressure, then pressurized to a specific atmosphere before being energized.
Us with containers, me, on the bench, are putting the container under pressure to run a bubbler. And most containers we are dealing with can handle that to a small extent. Vacuum pressure has to be a way better seal. The water tight cases that some are using are dealing with pressure from the outside not causing a leak to a specific depth. Not vacuum pressure caused from the inside. This is different as you can put pressure on a lid of a jar to make it seal better than it would with just it's natural seal.
Testing for this can be expensive, but I want to put out a challenge for finding a ready made container that is truly designed to handle these forces to a tested extent. Also the container needs to be truly modifiable by the “average Joe”, without major equipment involved. Just to make it workable by the people that want to experiment in HHO.
I have seen so many containers being used, and have seen from another forum where they say use a vent to stop the vacuum from pulling the the liquid to the motor. I know this can have disastrous results as supplying the vacuum a release will cause more pull in the direction of the vacuum. A check valve does not stop a leaky container from pulling towards the vacuum as we are supplying gas from a possible leak to the vacuum pull.
Another note here is that a vacuum leak can cause the motor to just plain run crappy. Being this is that where people do not see mpg gains even after doing all sorts of mods can possibly be caused by the computer going into default value from a vacuum leak in the system. This being caused by the cell not being truly sealed from the vacuum pressure involved.
Being “T'ed” off of a vital vacuum point can cause a big issue in how the vehicle will respond if there is a leak in the cell container. Changing the tuning curve of how the motor management will respond to the input data.
I need a good mechanic on this... but I think I may be on to a point.